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Is the iPhone X a disappointment? Investors think so
CNN ^ | December 26, 2017 | Jordan Valinsky

Posted on 12/26/2017 7:42:38 AM PST by C19fan

Shares of Apple and its suppliers tumbled this week after multiple industry analysts predicted weak demand for the new flagship iPhone. Apple's (AAPL) stock slid by as much as 4% in premarket trading Tuesday.

The radically redesigned iPhone X was supposed to give Apple a boost following several years of sinking sales. Early sales reports were positive, and Morgan Stanley reported last week that the iPhone X is especially hot in China.

(Excerpt) Read more at money.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: apple; firetimcook; homosexualagenda; iphone; timcook
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To: Swordmaker
The TouchID is secure at 1 in 50,000 that someone else other than you could unlock it with their finger. The FaceiD of the iPhone X is secure at 1 in 1,000,000 that someone other than you could unlock it with their face.

There are several videos on YouTube showing family members able to unlock the iPhone X.

I don't mind if Apple wants to offer facial recognition as an option and I like the removal of the "home" button to increase display real estate but I'll wait until they place a fingerprint reader on the display in an innovative and transparent way before I upgrade.
61 posted on 12/27/2017 6:35:14 AM PST by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: CodeToad
Does everything we need including fingerprint recognition.

Everything you need and a few things you don't need. 😎

62 posted on 12/27/2017 6:56:07 AM PST by itsahoot (As long as there is money to be divided, there will be division.)
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To: RinaseaofDs
In nearly every other phone, you can remove the battery.

Really? Galaxy smart phones let you change the battery?


Where does it go in?

63 posted on 12/27/2017 7:01:53 AM PST by itsahoot (As long as there is money to be divided, there will be division.)
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To: whistleduck
I prefer to communicate with the living—with those that live life fully, not speaking to a plastic screen.

Yet here you are spilling out your heart with absolutely no human interaction with about as much effect as shouting at a TV.

64 posted on 12/27/2017 7:05:29 AM PST by itsahoot (As long as there is money to be divided, there will be division.)
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To: PAR35
I want to patent a smart phone that has a replaceable battery.

Who will you sell it to and who will carry and extra battery?

If people really wanted that feature they would have it.

65 posted on 12/27/2017 7:09:37 AM PST by itsahoot (As long as there is money to be divided, there will be division.)
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To: Swordmaker

That was a really long post.
Which considering that it confirmed that you don’t comprehend turning off a phone when not in use - or when you don’t want to be bothered - allows for a charge that lasts for days.

I was pointing out that I know people who take four years to accumulate a significant number of recharges.

That seems to have flown entirely over your head.


66 posted on 12/27/2017 7:13:21 AM PST by MrEdd (Caveat Emptor)
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To: sergeantdave
Why would I pay $1,000 for a phone when I can buy a perfectly good phone from AT&T for $29.99?

Because you want one and not the other. No one is forcing anyone to buy an iPhone, but Samsung pimps infect every Apple thread with braggarts claiming they just switched or would never buy an Apple product from a queer.......blah, blah, blah.

67 posted on 12/27/2017 7:14:09 AM PST by itsahoot (As long as there is money to be divided, there will be division.)
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To: MrEdd

yafos


68 posted on 12/27/2017 7:50:22 AM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias | "Islamists": Satan's assassins | "Moderate Muslims": Useful idiots.)
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To: neverevergiveup

“This is what irritates me about Apple. I have been an Apple person since my first computer, but I have become increasingly disenchanted with them. Making the older phones run slower is disgusting. Even if this was done (as they claim) to preserve the life of aging batteries, they had the ethical obligation to let consumers know what the ‘update’ would do. Seems to me they do many things like this, including incorporating a a different charger configuration into every new laptop - so the older chargers won’t work with them.”

Yep, it should have been a setting: “Preserve battery life” versus “Run faster”. One problem with Apple is lack of consumer choice in many areas.

That said, Apple is a great company and a leader in both software and hardware innovation. It could use a change at the CEO position, rethinking having such narrow product lines, and doing away with accelerated obsolescence.


69 posted on 12/27/2017 8:03:49 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (Make America Greater Than Ever!)
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To: manc

“We all now have Androids since my daughter got rid of her Apple phone. She said they were just crap, and some of her friends at school are now getting rid of Apple.”

Android phones are OK, as long as you don’t care at all about your information getting hacked...

The one partial exception are the Google Pixel phones, but they’re pricey in their own right.


70 posted on 12/27/2017 8:08:11 AM PST by PreciousLiberty (Make America Greater Than Ever!)
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To: Swordmaker

“anal-cysts” ..... ROTFLMAO !


71 posted on 12/27/2017 8:17:17 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: C19fan; Swordmaker

Curious - as is normal, the iPhone X was an absolute sellout before launch day. Inventories are just now becoming stable here just before Christmas - though retailers around here said that it was spotty -one day having several on hand, the next being sold out again (this was just a week ago when I upgraded).

I will say this - I know quite a few Apple fans who opted to go with the 8 plus vs the X because they felt the screen size and overall size was better on the 8+, and they are not enamored with the extra-long screen ratio with the “notch”, and felt there was no need for the gimmicky face recognition stuff - and figured the exact same processing bits with less gimmicks was the better way to go.

My upgrade was approximately $100 more than my previous upgrade (iPhone 7 plus) - same capacity (256GB). Plus - Sam’s club was giving away $150 gift cards with select phones the day I was in - which more than offset the difference in price for me.

SO far - I am happy with the X - just taking a bit of time to get use to the lack of home button -but it hasn’t been as awkward as I first thought.

It seems every product release - Apple gets panned for being a “disappointment” - even when record sales figures are released - it is insane. And this as been discussed over and over - even when Apple beats the street forecasts - they are called a failure. Even when profits hit records - they are called a flop - its just crazy.

Were I still an Apple stockholder - I would have questioned the simultaneous release of the 8, 8 plus, and the X - and indeed, it may prove to have been not the wisest release of new product in a while by Apple- but all of these products are selling well -


72 posted on 12/27/2017 8:31:00 AM PST by TheBattman (Voting for lesser evils still gets you evil...)
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To: irishjuggler

For many users - a year or even 5 year-old device does FAR more than they will every use it for or need - and to them - enjoy your device - it does what you want at a price you are happy with. The free market is an amazing thing! The same thing is true for many of us and our computers - when our 6 year old laptop (in my case - a MacBook Pro) still does 100% of what I want and need - and still as quickly as it ever has - why spend $2500 to upgrade to the latest? 80% of consumers don’t have even an inkling of need for the cutting edge of computing - but because of their own perceived needs (latest and greatest) - or for lack of intelligent management of their current hardware (malware, file corruption, lack of maintenance, etc.) THINK that a new computer is the answer to their woes... when last year’s closeout bargain new computer will do 100% of all they need or want to do...

My iPhone 7 plus was working just fine - no complaints at all. BUT - our family works on a hand-me-down system - I get the new device, wife gets my hand-me-down, oldest daughter gets wife’s, etc. And it keeps everyone in a functioning, and reasonably up to date device (youngest daughter has an iPhone 6). Keeps family happy and in touch.


73 posted on 12/27/2017 8:37:07 AM PST by TheBattman (Voting for lesser evils still gets you evil...)
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To: Drew68

“didn’t own up to it” - it actually was in their release notes. Nobody reads the agreement and fine print.

As to yoru last assertion - you are dead wrong. A device with a failing battery that the OS throttles back - a new battery removes the throttled state - and completely restores performance (other than the regular burden of bloated OS and full storage that slows every device and computer in the world over time).

If an iPhone with a fresh battery still is “throttled” - I believe it is another problem - likely some kind of file corruption or other hardware issue.


74 posted on 12/27/2017 8:40:43 AM PST by TheBattman (Voting for lesser evils still gets you evil...)
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To: RinaseaofDs
iPhones are supposed to die. That way you buy more of them. The aftermarket doesn’t kill you.

Interesting theory (one that might be accurately applied to ALL consumer electronics to some degree).

BUT - I pay a LOT of attention to technology and especially mobile devices. Discussions of such are a regular part of conversations between friends and family. and in observing - iPhone users don't upgrade or get new devices at a higher/faster rate than Android users. In fact - what I have seen over and over - Android users tend to upgrade/replace more frequently than iPhone users. In fact - many Android users replace their device MORE than once per year. iPhone users average over 1 year with a WHOLE LOT of older devices still in use.

75 posted on 12/27/2017 8:45:13 AM PST by TheBattman (Voting for lesser evils still gets you evil...)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I agree - Jobs would never have approved of a notch. I wonder if it would have been more acceptable to leave a small bezel at the top for the face recognition cameras - but have the other 3 sides still essentially bezel-less?

AS to fingerprint reader - I haven’t missed it yet.


76 posted on 12/27/2017 8:47:05 AM PST by TheBattman (Voting for lesser evils still gets you evil...)
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To: Yaelle

Yep - I have found fingerprint readers (regardless of the technology and maker) is messed up when my finger is damp at all - frustrating.


77 posted on 12/27/2017 8:49:05 AM PST by TheBattman (Voting for lesser evils still gets you evil...)
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To: itsahoot

I had a 7, and you popped the back cover off. In fact, a battery pull reset was what techsupp often called for to fix an issue.


78 posted on 12/27/2017 8:49:10 AM PST by RinaseaofDs (Truth, in a time of universal deceit, is courage)
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To: RinaseaofDs
In fact, a battery pull reset was what techsupp often called for to fix an issue.

My phones don't have issues. 😇

Truth is these things have replaced laptops because they have a live connection to the internet. No one buys these things to talk on them.

79 posted on 12/27/2017 10:47:57 AM PST by itsahoot (As long as there is money to be divided, there will be division.)
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To: MrEdd

Dear Mr Bench Tech;
Lithium batteries degrade. Degradation is both a function of Time and the number of battery cycles. Lithium “wants” to be a crystal. Once it crystallizes it is forever out of the battery chemistry. After ~1 year of use (400 charge cycles) the battery is about 20% degraded from new condition. This is fact.
Apple knows the battery condition and has at least 3 processors that govern charge and discharge cycles. By slowing down the processor speed on degraded batteries, Apple (at zero cost to the consumer) traded benchmark scores for useful battery life.
So, for increasing consumer iPhone life, you want to criticize them? Any idea how many iPhones are still functioning on 5+ year old batteries? Perhaps you would like to compare the percentage of 5 year old Android phones that are still in service? Maybe compare the resale costs between iPhones and Android?


80 posted on 12/27/2017 10:53:24 AM PST by Hodar (A man can fail many times, but he isn't a failure until he begins to blame somebody else.- Burroughs)
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