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December 1857
Harper's Magazine archives (subscription required) ^ | December 1857

Posted on 12/01/2017 4:55:21 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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TOPICS: History
KEYWORDS: civilwar
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To: iowamark

After what the Mormons pulled in 2016, maybe it wasn’t such a bad idea.


21 posted on 12/16/2017 1:43:04 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
The blowing of a Sepoy from the muzzle of a twelve-pounder must be a curious process.

As I understand the procedure, the legs and arms of the Muslim are tied to the wheels with ropes long enough for his belly to be draped over the muzzle of the cannon. Of course the gun is charged before the Muslim is emplaced since the guns were muzzle loaders.

22 posted on 12/16/2017 1:51:48 PM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35
Not all Sepoys were Muslims.

Most were probably Hindus.

23 posted on 12/16/2017 1:54:01 PM PST by x
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...
Continued from December 8 (Reply #11)

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Nicole Etcheson, Bleeding Kansas: Contested Liberty in the Civil War Era

24 posted on 12/18/2017 4:54:25 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

The Lecompton Constitution was a joke written by a rump assembly that never reflected the view of a majority of Kansans. The fact that Buchanan backed it just reinforces my view that he was one of the worst Presidents in the history of America.


25 posted on 12/18/2017 3:23:16 PM PST by colorado tanker
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Continued from December 18 (Reply #24)

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Nicole Etcheson, Bleeding Kansas: Contested Liberty in the Civil War Era

26 posted on 12/21/2017 5:48:06 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: colorado tanker
Colorado tanker: "The fact that Buchanan backed it just reinforces my view that he was one of the worst Presidents in the history of America."

Buchanan ranks with Obama as Democrats whose intentions were to fundamentally "transform America" from our Founders' vision to one dictated by Democrat partisan goals of the time.
In 1857 those included Democrats' Lecompton constitution and the Supreme Court's Dred Scott decision, all but outlawing abolition.
Under Obama it was the Democrats' globalist socialist agenda.

After Buchanan, Republicans victory in 1860 drove Democrats insane, leading to Civil War.
After Obama, Republican victory in 2016 has again driven Democrats insane (admittedly a very short trip), though Civil War II still seems highly unlikely.
For one thing, today's Democrats are poor likenesses of their 1861 ancestors.

27 posted on 12/21/2017 8:08:29 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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I posted a report on this book way back in March 2016 (reply #93). This is the first excerpt. In about 5 years these two down-and-outers will have some altogether different tales to swap.

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Jean Edward Smith, Grant

28 posted on 12/23/2017 5:26:24 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Continued from December 21 (reply #26).

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Nicole Etcheson, Bleeding Kansas: Contested Liberty in the Civil War Era

29 posted on 12/24/2017 6:27:17 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Continued from December 16 (reply #20).

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The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

30 posted on 12/24/2017 6:28:53 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Okay, where’s the novel about Black Jake LeRoy and his gormless son Bob? I’ll bet it’s a page-turner!

Sounds (from George’s headache) like the Strongs had an enjoyable Christmas Eve. I used to have a silver mink cape - my father gave it to my mother around 1972 - but I never wore it, so I gave it to a friend in Tulsa who got out more. She has since moved to Houston, so I expect she gave it to her oldest daughter, who remained in Tulsa.


31 posted on 12/24/2017 6:54:19 AM PST by Tax-chick ("It is better to have a home full of misbehaving children than a silent house."~Kevin Williamson)
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[Continued from December 24 (reply #30.)]

December 25, FRIDAY. Christmas night. Higby preached (at Trinity Chapel) a very fresh, genial, and touching sermon on the suggestive text “The young child and his mother,” the most eloquent and original thing I’ve heard from him for years.

The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

32 posted on 12/25/2017 6:28:52 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Continued from November 30 (reply #52).

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Abraham Lincoln: Speeches and Writings 1832-1858, edited by Don E. Fehrenbacher

33 posted on 12/27/2017 5:49:01 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Arguably the greatest and most important speech in American history.

Lincoln as prophet.

“It will become all one thing or all the other.”


34 posted on 12/27/2017 10:20:56 AM PST by EternalVigilance
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Continued from December 27 (reply #33).

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Abraham Lincoln: Speeches and Writings 1832-1858, edited by Don E. Fehrenbacher

35 posted on 12/28/2017 7:33:39 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Continued from December 25 (reply #32).

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The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

36 posted on 12/28/2017 7:37:02 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

It’s very apparent that George and Ellen’s was a love match. Good for them. They lived through some difficult times.


37 posted on 12/28/2017 12:40:02 PM PST by colorado tanker
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Continued from December 28 (reply #36).

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The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

38 posted on 12/30/2017 7:06:32 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; DiogenesLamp; colorado tanker; x
Lincoln to Trumbull: "What does the New York Tribune mean by its constant eulogizing, and admiring, and magnifying Douglas?
Does it in this speak the sentiments of the Republicans at Washington?..."

In modern terms, sounds to me like Lincoln is here complaining to the supposedly Republican NY Tribune that their praises of Democrat Douglas may cause a certain number of Illinois RINO Republican Tribune readers to lose courage & flip sides.

Lincoln also wonders if the Washington DC establishment supports Douglas over genuine Republicans like, oh, say, Lincoln himself.

Remember, the very popular NY Tribune was said to be Republican leaning, but its founder, Horace Greeley, ran for President in 1872 as a Democrat against US Grant.
So New Yorkers, then as now, even when claiming to be Republicans were not always the real thing.
But Lincoln was.


39 posted on 12/30/2017 8:00:58 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Homer, do you happen to know if the draft on Post #33 is substantively different from the “House Divided” speech in 1858 (link below) which appears to be the final draft of the same speech?

http://teachingamericanhistory.org/library/document/house-divided-speech/


40 posted on 03/11/2018 11:31:33 AM PDT by Jim W N
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