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December 1857
Harper's Magazine archives (subscription required) ^ | December 1857

Posted on 12/01/2017 4:55:21 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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Free Republic University, Department of History presents U.S. History, 1855-1860: Seminar and Discussion Forum
Bleeding Kansas, Dred Scott, Lincoln-Douglas, Harper’s Ferry, the election of 1860, secession – all the events leading up to the Civil War, as seen through news reports of the time and later historical accounts

First session: November 21, 2015. Last date to add: Sometime in the future.
Reading: Self-assigned. Recommendations made and welcomed. To add this class to or drop it from your schedule notify Admissions and Records (Attn: Homer_J_Simpson) by reply or freepmail.

Link to November 1857 thread

1 posted on 12/01/2017 4:55:21 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...
A Visit from Saint Nicholas * – 1-2
Monthly Record of Current Events ** – 3-5
Editor’s Drawer – 6-12
Imagination versus Reality – 13-14
Fashions for December – 15-16

* “. . . Had just settled our brains for a long winter’s nap . . .”

That’s not exactly how I remember that line.

** Financial panic! – continued. Election results from various states, including wacky Kansas.

Army wagon trains heading for Utah have been attacked by Indians. “The speeches of the Mormon leaders, as reported in the Deseret News, are full of defiance.”

News of the Indian mutiny is also reported.

2 posted on 12/01/2017 4:58:24 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Fascinating. Thanks.


3 posted on 12/01/2017 4:58:37 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: chajin; henkster; CougarGA7; BroJoeK; central_va; Larry Lucido; wagglebee; Colonel_Flagg; Amagi; ...
Continued from November 30 (reply #54).

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The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

4 posted on 12/01/2017 5:01:58 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Continued from June 12 (reply #21).

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Allen C. Guelzo, Lincoln and Douglas: The Debates that Defined America

5 posted on 12/02/2017 6:26:10 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I have heard good things about Guelzo's book but have not read it. There are so many good Civil War books.

6 posted on 12/02/2017 8:40:48 AM PST by iowamark
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To: iowamark

The analysis of the debates themselves is great. Very detailed, as you might expect.


7 posted on 12/02/2017 8:58:03 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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Continued from December 1 (reply #4).

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The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

8 posted on 12/03/2017 6:34:53 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Tax-chick

I looked up the twitter account for Trinity Church (@TrinityWallSt) so I can send them links to George’s diary entries that concern Trinity. I saw that one of their tweets from Friday starts out, “How Can Queerness Inform Church Activism?”. Poor George would not know what to make of that at all.


9 posted on 12/03/2017 8:19:21 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

We do live in crazy times!


10 posted on 12/04/2017 3:15:38 AM PST by Tax-chick (I want to go to Colombia!)
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Continued from November 7 (reply #20) .

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Nicole Etcheson, Bleeding Kansas: Contested Liberty in the Civil War Era

11 posted on 12/08/2017 4:54:42 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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[Continued from December 3 (reply #8).]

December 8. Trustees of Columbia College met yesterday. That board is fast sinking back into its normal condition of chronic coma, stupor, and lethargy, after a brief period of unnatural liveliness, produced by stimulants. Another Gibbs controversy must be got up, or the College will doze off for another hundred years. . . .

Lamentable to relate, moreover, the faculty contemplate Peck’s appointment as instructor in drawing, so Jack Ehninger’s game is up. Probably he is ill-qualified for a large (if not the larger) portion of the course proposed, which is mathematical and industrial rather than aesthetic.

The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

12 posted on 12/08/2017 4:56:43 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
from the piece -- South Carolinian James Tradewell:

Note: "perish in blood and fire", not "withdraw in peaceful, constitutionally valid disunion."

Everyone then understood that secession meant war, nobody pretended otherwise.

13 posted on 12/08/2017 5:35:23 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

It’s easy for a hothead to spout of. At the time, no one knew how truly godawful the Civil War would be in death, suffering and destruction.


14 posted on 12/08/2017 1:21:22 PM PST by colorado tanker
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We may see South Carolinian James Tradewell again in 1858 when he contributes a piece to a secessionist pamphlet "An Appeal to the State Rights Party of South Carolina".
He is not listed as a famous fire eater, but likely because of being less than famous, not for being reluctant with fire.

As for what citizens imagined of a future war, it seems some did anticipate "blood and fire", for the other side.

15 posted on 12/09/2017 10:45:29 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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Continued from December 8 (reply #12) .

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The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

16 posted on 12/12/2017 4:49:54 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Interesting opinions on the Utah Mormons. Many Americans were willing to declare war on the Mormons for some decades. Brigham Young fled to Utah when it was still part of Mexico, in order to get away from the US.


17 posted on 12/12/2017 10:26:40 AM PST by iowamark
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Our diarist is referring to the Utah War. The Mormons fled persecution in the US to the northern part of Mexico only to find it absorbed in the US at the end of the Mexican War. The Mormon practice of polygamy was considered barbaric and another pernicious result of Douglas’s popular sovereignty. Eventually even Douglas condemned its practice in the territories. Buchanan was dead set against it and was determined to bring Utah into lawful US administration. An expedition was dispatched from Fort Leavenworth to escort a new non-Mormon Governor. The expedition is now in winter camp in a bleak part of SW Wyoming near Fort Bridger, which the Mormons had burned down. The force had been weakened to leave enough troops at Leavenworth to deal with the Kansas troubles surrounding the Lecompton Constitution. How often have we seen the Army tasked to do too much with too little?


18 posted on 12/12/2017 10:59:17 AM PST by colorado tanker
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The country between Fort Bridger and Salt Lake is daunting, to put it mildly. The Wasatch is an incredible physical barrier.


19 posted on 12/12/2017 3:51:31 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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[Continued from December 12 (reply #16).]

December 16. Walked up, stopped at Society Library in University Place, and read the reviews. Details of late performances in and about Delhi, Lucknow, and Cawnpore are novel and interesting. The blowing of a Sepoy from the muzzle of a twelve-pounder must be a curious process.

The Diary of George Templeton Strong, Edited by Allan Nevins and Milton Halsey Thomas

20 posted on 12/16/2017 7:10:11 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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