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My argument # 2 is weak, I admit that.

We all know that Republ - check that - CONSERVATIVES are held to a higher standard. Dems are really held to no standard at all.

Donning flame suit. Knowing that many here will be mad that I'm even inferring or suggesting that Moore might possibly be guilty. Think that if you will - that is not the point.

Point is - Moore should be supported for these reasons and more.

1 posted on 11/15/2017 12:50:04 PM PST by Responsibility2nd
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McConell, Ryan, McCain and the rest of the NWO RINO farm have done far, far worse for the country. I haven’t seen anything credible yet that will make me change my mind if the allegations were true or not.


2 posted on 11/15/2017 12:52:31 PM PST by beergarden
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he is being Alinsky-ed. Rule four below

I don’t play anymore.

Saul Alinsky’s Rules from Rules for Radicals

Saul Alinsky describes 24 rules in Rules for Radicals. Of those 24 rules, 13 are rules of “power tactics”:

1. “Power is not only what you have but what the enemy
thinks you have.”

2. “Never go outside the experience of your people.”

3. “Wherever possible go outside of the experience of the
enemy.”

4. “Make the enemy live up to their own book of rules.”

5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”

6. “A good tactic is one that your people enjoy.”

7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.”

8. “Keep the pressure on, with different tactics and
actions, and utilize all events of the period for your purpose.”

9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing
itself.”

10. “The major premise for tactics is the development of
operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.”

11. “If you push a negative hard and deep enough it will
break through into its counterside.”

12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive
alternative.”

13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

The remaining 11 rules Alinsky describes are concerned with “the ethics of means and ends”:

1. “One’s concern with the ethics of means and ends varies inversely with one’s personal interest in the issue … Accompanying this rule is the parallel one that one’s concern with the ethics of means and ends varies inversely with one’s distance from the scene of conflict.”

2. “The judgment of the ethics of means is dependent upon the political position of those sitting in judgment.”

3. “In war the end justifies almost any means.”

4. “Judgment must be made in the context of the times in which the action occurred and not from any other chronological vantage point.”

5. “Concern with ethics increases with the number of means available and vice versa.”

6. “The less important the end to be desired, the more one can afford to engage in ethical evaluations of means.”

7. “Generally success or failure is a mighty determinant of ethics.”

8. “The morality of a means depends upon whether the means is being employed at a time of imminent defeat or imminent victory.”

9. “Any effective means is automatically judged by the opposition as being unethical.”

10. “You do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments.”

11. “Goals must be phrased in general terms like ‘Liberty, Equality, Fraternity,’ ‘Of the Common Welfare,’ ‘Pursuit of Happiness,’ or ‘Bread and Peace.’”


3 posted on 11/15/2017 12:52:45 PM PST by Chickensoup (Leftists today are speaking as if they plan to commence to commit genocide against conservatives.)
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I’ve only voted “for” a candidate once in my life: Reagan in 1980. I’d not vote for Moore, but I’d certainly vote against the guy he’s running against, which means I’d vote “for” Moore.

BTW, you’ll notice I did not include 1984 in my first comment...


4 posted on 11/15/2017 12:54:39 PM PST by robroys woman (So you're not confused, I'm male.)
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It’s time for more revelations of the swampsters.


5 posted on 11/15/2017 12:55:54 PM PST by Maudeen (There is no such thing as a casual Christian.)
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If Moore is innocent and this is a well-times Swamp slime attack, I support Judge Moore.

If Moore is guilty and the Senate will remove him on the day he arrives, based on the overwhelming evidence that will be released just after the election (huh?), I support Judge Moore. Taking a re-do on the special election is far, far better than putting a democrat in that seat, no matter how much McCain, McConnell, and Graham would prefer to have a fellow insider.


7 posted on 11/15/2017 12:56:58 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed")
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If you can get married at 14 in Alabama I don’t even see the big deal.


8 posted on 11/15/2017 12:57:26 PM PST by Harpotoo
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I'd vote for him too.

Even if the allegations are true, it seems to me that he has gotten his act together. He talks the talk and walks the walk. He will do the right thing for the people of Alabama and for the rest of the country.

9 posted on 11/15/2017 12:57:32 PM PST by Family Guy (A society's first line of defense is not the law but customs, traditions and moral values. -Williams)
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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/930205088299257859/photo/1

Click on the closeup on the signature. They didn’t even try to match the color of the ink!


10 posted on 11/15/2017 12:58:28 PM PST by SubMareener (Save us from Quarterly Freepathons! Become a MONTHLY DONOR)
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Brave and honest!
Kudos


12 posted on 11/15/2017 12:58:41 PM PST by Guenevere
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I won't even go there because I believe this entire thing to be cooked up by Bill Kristol and company.
13 posted on 11/15/2017 12:59:23 PM PST by Sam Gamgee
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I would vote for him because I refuse to continue to hold ourselves to standards that leftists designate for us only. The only hope we have of improving the minimum standard of acceptable behavior is by rejecting their standards for us and holding ourselves to their gutter standards.

That said, I hope we get to the bottom of this after the election and replace him with another Republican if the situation calls for it. If he is expelled, we must insist that they expell pedo Menendez too. What I need do know is that it makes zero sense to elect a Democrat who will vote for planned Parenthood funding, tranny bathrooms, etc for 4 years because of this guy’s moral failings 40 years ago.


16 posted on 11/15/2017 1:01:37 PM PST by MountainWalker
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I DO live in Alabama, and I agree with your points.

I will vote for him EVEN IF he is "guilty" (of something that probably wasn't a big deal anyway but is being overblown by the media vultures).

I still think "not guilty" though.

18 posted on 11/15/2017 1:03:46 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (Trump won; we got Gorsuch and a bit of MAGA. Likely have a civil war before we get more.)
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No flame from me.

A. If Moore is innocent of those accusations, then I'm voting for him because he stands for just about everything I believe in when it comes to government.

B. If Moore is guilty of those accusations, then I'm voting for him because he'll be right at home in a U.S. Senate filled with crooked, deviant pr!cks.

21 posted on 11/15/2017 1:05:38 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Tell them to stand!" -- President Trump, 9/23/2017)
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I have no argument with your post.

Praying AL shows the lying GOPe/McCreepy that they don’t play their sick game....and, that they VOTE FOR MOORE!!

I sent Judge Moore some $$$, from TX, today. Hope he receives a lot more $$, from across the country. To #%LL with the lying GOP/RNC/NRSC.


22 posted on 11/15/2017 1:06:01 PM PST by Jane Long (Praise God, from whom ALL blessings flow.)
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I would absolutely vote for Roy. I do not for a second believe the accusations - not from 40 years ago, weeks before an important election. There is no and can be no proof from 40 years ago because it is not possible for it to exist. Even if true, which it is clearly not, it was not a crime.

I am unwilling to throw our guy out and let a Rat into office when Rats ALWAYS have significantly worse issues than even the worst GOP person.

How would one in clear conscience vote out Roy in place of a Rat who is willing and wants to kill babies through not only abortion but partial birth abortion?? Or, if you would rather, pick any number of other critical issues like constitutional judges vs commie judges.


24 posted on 11/15/2017 1:07:41 PM PST by rigelkentaurus
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As a former 18/19 year old female who dated a 31 year old guy in 1981 in Alabama, it’s safe to say I’ll be voting for Roy Moore.


25 posted on 11/15/2017 1:08:12 PM PST by Bodleian_Girl (Luther Strange was dirty then, he's dirty now http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3587879/posts?p)
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..........in my opinion, Moore is going to win. So, if he does, a lot of people agree with you, including me.

As my breakfast mate said about this just this morning, “The Right” is in a non shooting war with the forces of The Left................it is simple as that!

Their long term strategy is to intimidate any hard working, tax paying, upstanding citizen of running for office.


30 posted on 11/15/2017 1:11:28 PM PST by Cen-Tejas
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If he made that announcement and you voted for him, then you’d be proof that character really doesn’t matter as many here have claimed since this forums inception it really did.


31 posted on 11/15/2017 1:11:47 PM PST by joesbucks
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You make very valid points.


33 posted on 11/15/2017 1:14:38 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith..)
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God chose David, a terribly flawed individual. David was an adulterer, murderer, and some say he was a homo. Yet God chose him, and chose him to be ancestor to his own Son Jesus.

Roy Moore is not David. But flawed individuals can still be called to God's service and to the service of good. Who knows what Roy Moore may or may not have done 40 years ago. But in more recent decades Roy Moore has proved himself a loyal patriot and God's servant.
 

40 posted on 11/15/2017 1:20:54 PM PST by Governor Dinwiddie (Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?)
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