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Actually, I said that even a twenty year old computer running DOS with a 10MB hard drive was a more productivity tool took than my tiny phone was in 2005. Anyone can verify that by re-reading the post just above.

I guess my sarcastic response in challenging you on your wanting your itty-bitty 6700 Windows phone to ever BE a productivity device and then you comparing it to the productivity of a DESKTOP device of YOUR choice seems to have escaped you because you had said:

"I used to joke that it was more powerful than the IBM Pentium laptop that I had been using for several years when I got the phone. And the specs were actually better... but it was a laptop and the phone was a phone."

I was pointing out the ridiculousness of you even bringing up the comparison of a micro screened minuscule phone with very low specs in comparison to a desktop or laptop computer. . . and you just missed it. Others picked up on it.

Actually I have said REPEATEDLY that the because the first iPhone was a commercial success that it was an influence on cell phone designers going forward.

No, fireman15, you have not. You've denied that, the couple times you mentioned it, you used it as a lead in to more negative comments. You've repeatedly claimed that other phones had those features first, denigrating that it was the iPhone that made that change. We've all seen you do it. You can't try and re-cast your claims now. Here are all your negative comments in this thread on this subject:

Apple patented the meaningless fluff and then stole the actual technical achievements from other “smart phones” which came years before the I-phone. I guess we can credit the mental gymnastics of the formidable army of Apple lawyers for maneuvering this albatross through the American legal system.
I applaud Apple for stealing so many good ideas from companies such as HTC, Samsung, and IBM and incorporating them into the first I-phone. But face it even phones with touch screens came out several years before the first I-phone. Nearly all technological devices become more capable and smaller or thinner as time goes by.
I would dispute that the first i-phone had a revolutionary appearance, design or feature set. It was simply an evolution from previous devices that it “borrowed” its “features” from. . . These were all devices that Apple “borrowed” ideas from. And by the way... they basically all were rectangular with rounded corners. If common sense prevails, Samsung will eventually have the last laugh.
And Apple did not invent multi-touch screens... what a joke. (Refuted with factual data from US Patent Office)
Putting a capacitive touch screen as opposed to a resistive touch screen on a device with a phone included is not a revolutionary idea. It was simply evolution that someone or a corporation were working to get this combination to market. Claiming that this was some sort of stroke of genius is laughable.
The I-phone’s huge marketing success obviously influenced the direction of cell phone designers going forward. But have you ever looked at the automobiles? My wife and I restore vintage automobiles... you can guess the time period that most vintage automobiles came from by glancing at their exterior appearance. It is the same with houses and clothes and of course cell phones. We started out with a car phone, then went to a bag phone, then a large cell phone, then smaller and smaller cell phones, flip phones, and then on to smart phones. And then the smart phones started becoming more powerful with screens that started getting larger, while at the same time getting thinner. That is called evolution of design and Apple was part of that evolution.
There was nothing revolutionary about the first iPhone other than Apple’s successful Ad campaign and the number of consumers who wanted a cool toy with very limited potential. How much foresight does it really take to specify a slightly larger screen with a resolution that was higher than phones that came out two years earlier? How much foresight does it take to specify that it be narrower by leaving off a slide out keyboard? How much foresight does it take to specify that it have slightly better specs than the phones that came before it? And this hyping up its use of an input device that others thought of and developed first? It was not revolutionary... it did not even do as much as many other devices that came before it.

These are only two examples of misquotes from you.

This is more of your projection of what you have been doing all along. . . attributing to me, what you are doing. Nice try, but it won't fly. I'm done with sparring with you. . . I will not respond on this thread again, you are a waste of time.

I will not respond on this thread again, you are a waste of time.

Yeah right...

If anyone actually ever reads through this thread... which I doubt they can judge who the biggest Bull-sh@tter is for themselves. This theoretical reader's conclusion will probably be based more on confirmation bias than on yours or my artful pros. It will depend on whether or not they appreciate our country's legal system being manipulated by a corporation with almost unimaginable resources. Or more likely it will depend on how much they lover their current iPhone. So it doesn't really matter a great deal and you are right not to respond again.

I have forgotten what you have said your background was in previous threads... You are obviously knowledgeable about Apple products and history. From what you have written in this thread I suspect that you have little if any experience designing or even assembling electronic gadgets from components. You may have never even put together a PC from components. I am not sure whether or not you even repair your own hardware. I am not sure if you have ever even changed the oil on your own car, let alone replaced rod bearings or a head. I doubt that you have any engineering education or experience.

You remind me of the fire buffs who hung around fire stations that I sometimes worked at. They could spout off all sorts of facts and figures but almost none of them had ever gotten their faces or ears burned in a hot fire. None of them had ever tried to stop the bleeding on someone who had been shot or stabbed multiple times or revive a person whose heart had stopped. They never got a lung full of chlorine or ammonia on a hazmat call. In short they had a lot of superficial knowledge but they had never gotten their hands dirty. A lot of them were strongly opinionated despite their lack of any meaningful experience.

And that reminds me of you. You talk about the amount of research and engineering that went into this or that device... Your posts suggest to me that you do have a diverse background with real world experience and thus have a distorted perspective. You really cannot tell us based on any real world experience the amount of effort that went into the first iPhone as compared to other devices that came before or after, electronic or mechanical.

I will end this post with some quotes from an article written about the first iPhone not long after it was released.

“Will the iPhone fundamentally alter the structure of the wireless world as well?

Not yet. The iPhone’s style and user interface are pathbreaking, and (as the iPod proved) aesthetics do matter. But the iPhone is—so far—not a product that will turn any industry inside out. Seen as a phone, the iPhone is striking. Seen as a small computer, it's limited, and compromised by the existing business models of the wireless industry. Saying the iPhone is a pointless gadget is a bit too strong. But it isn't yet a revolutionary device.”

“Most obviously, the iPhone is locked, as is de rigueur in the wireless world. It will work only with one carrier, AT&T. Judged by the standards of a personal computer or electronics, that's odd: Imagine buying a Dell that worked only with Comcast Internet access or a VCR that worked only with NBC. Despite the fact that the iPhone costs $500 or so, it cannot yet be brought over to T-Mobile or Verizon or Sprint. AT&T sees this as a feature, not a bug, as every new iPhone customer must commit to a two-year, $1,400 to $2,400 contract.”

“But while the iPhone has Wi-Fi, it doesn't let you do one very obvious thing with its Wi-Fi connection: make phone calls. In an ideal world, you might want to use AT&T when on the road and have your phone switch automatically to Skype or Vonage when at home, since they're much cheaper and can have better voice quality.” (The PPC-6700 was able to make voip calls using the appropriate available software)

The iPhone’s Achilles’ heel is its Internet access when it's not near a Wi-Fi hot spot. The fact that the iPhone can use only AT&T's rather slow EDGE network is a weakness that affects the phone's most exciting capabilities (such as application development, below). As the New York Times’ David Pogue writes, “You almost ache for a dial-up modem.” Oddly enough, you can't even download music directly from iTunes. (PPC-6700 could download basically anything that would fit on its mini-sd card)

“The iPhone is also a closed platform. Unlike your Macintosh computer, which can run whatever software developers write for it, the iPhone will, in native mode, run only whatever Apple (and AT&T) approve of. While there are some technical and security reasons to do things this way, there's an ideological point here, too. The closed iPhone stands in contrast to the open-platform design that has been the bedrock of both the personal computer and Internet revolutions. By design, the iPhone embodies the opposite of what made the Apple II so successful.”

“But the problem is that you have to be online to use a Web application. Unless you're in an open Wi-Fi zone, that means running right into the limits of AT&T's slower-than-a-dialup-modem EDGE network. In addition, the phone won't support Java or Flash, which are both important components of many powerful Web apps.” (PPC-6700 could run both Java and flash apps with the appropriate and available software installed)

“We're left to wonder, then, why the iPhone plays by the rules. Isn't this Apple, the company of “Think Different”? You could argue that the iPhone proves that Apple is no longer a company interested in transforming industries. Once Big Brother's foe, it's now more like Little Brother, happy to sell cute little devices that are easy to use, make money, and spread false consciousness.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2007/06/iphony.html

So I repeat for the umpteenth time... when I compared the first iPhone with the phone that I had already owned for 2 years... it came up short. And this was not just 10 or 20 minutes at a phone store... this was a detailed evaluation with a phone lent to me by one of my closest friends. The first iPhone would not do what I needed a smart phone to do. So to me it was not revolutionary it wasn't even useful enough to consider purchasing. It was a commercial success and did have an influence on cell phone designs that followed. But it had very few of the capabilities that current generations of iPhones possess today.

For those who never looked at the first iPhone or never tried one and do not realize that it wasn't a shadow of what iPhones are these days. There are so many squishy Mythological looks back that have basically nothing to do with reality. I share some reviews of the first iPhone that sort of indicate it might not have been the “revolutionary” device as Swordmaker suggests:

“The Apple iPhone has variable call quality and lacks some basic features found in many cell phones, including stereo Bluetooth support and 3G compatibility. Integrated memory is stingy for an iPod, and you have to sync the iPhone to manage music content.”

https://www.cnet.com/products/apple-iphone/review/

“Before we get to the in depth hands-on, here's the verdict I'd give any good friend: Wait to buy the iPhone.

“But as the honeymoon sets, I find myself left with a phone that could be more functional. “

“The real elephant in the room is the fact that I just spent $600 on my iPhone and it can't do some crucial functions that even $50 handsets can. I'm talking about MMS. Video recording. Custom ringtones. Mass storage. Fully functioning Bluetooth with stereo audio streaming. Voice dialing when you're using a car kit. Sending contact info to other people. Instant friggin’ messenging. Sending an SMS to more than one recipient at a time.”

“And while writers are covering these facts in a glancing manner, alongside the quirky QWERTY, lack of 3G, and weak email support, I feel like they are under emphasizing the flaws in light of the shock and awe of the phone's Wonders.” (Shocking! You mean I am not the only one who didn't appreciate the first iPhones on screen keyboard?)

https://gizmodo.com/276116/apple-iphone-review

“The bad part is that there are many features that are missing. 3G, MMS, A2DP, video recording, voice recording, voice dialing, and flash are just a shame to see missing on a phone this nice and this expensive. Call quality and signal strength has been an issue as well, and not just to us but the public too.”

https://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Apple-iPhone-Review_id1773

Apple spent a lot of money hyping the first iPhone so the most interesting part of many of the reviews are the comments from users:

“I agree that the first thing a phone should do is make calls - for that the iPhone absolutely sucks! Some states have laws against using a cell phone when driving but no mater what the law, everybody does it. And for that the iPhone is an accident going somewhere to happen - in a phrase, the reason it sucks is, NO TACTICAL FEEL. Over a highly sensitive touch screen, you have to navigate to the phone app, then navigate to the number somehow, then make the call - and along the way you better not inadvertantly touch the wrong part of the screen (which is nearly impossible) or you are calling the wrong person - then if you do, you have to hang up and starting navigating back to the party you wanted to call... it's a hazard and almost useless for making and receiving calls”

“I got an Iphone 1 month ago, and I used to have a NOKIA e62 and no drop calls, now everyother call gets drop in the same areas, as a phone, this gadget SUCKS!!!
I have two friends that complaint about this same thing.
I like it but I am getting fed up, If I am talking to my friends I can always call them back and laugh about it, but when I talking to a CUSTOMER it is not as nice.

I am ready to get rid of it!!!”

I am ready to get rid of it!!!

“Great review - thanks for the info re blue tooth - I was hoping that I would be able to listen to music via the blue tooth facility on the phone. I have stereo bluetooth hearing aids and if the iphone did that then I wouldn't have to carry around an additional adaptor for my iphone (like I have to with my old ipod). Shame. The other disappointing thing for me is that the volume isn't great without updating the software. I need decent volume output for obvious reasons.
I hate to say it but my husband was right when he suggested that maybe this wasn't the phone for me - bummer! Thanks for the review - I have saved some money as a result.”

http://terrywhite.com/iphone-review/