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To: Swordmaker
I will not respond on this thread again, you are a waste of time.

Yeah right...

If anyone actually ever reads through this thread... which I doubt they can judge who the biggest Bull-sh@tter is for themselves. This theoretical reader's conclusion will probably be based more on confirmation bias than on yours or my artful pros. It will depend on whether or not they appreciate our country's legal system being manipulated by a corporation with almost unimaginable resources. Or more likely it will depend on how much they lover their current iPhone. So it doesn't really matter a great deal and you are right not to respond again.

I have forgotten what you have said your background was in previous threads... You are obviously knowledgeable about Apple products and history. From what you have written in this thread I suspect that you have little if any experience designing or even assembling electronic gadgets from components. You may have never even put together a PC from components. I am not sure whether or not you even repair your own hardware. I am not sure if you have ever even changed the oil on your own car, let alone replaced rod bearings or a head. I doubt that you have any engineering education or experience.

You remind me of the fire buffs who hung around fire stations that I sometimes worked at. They could spout off all sorts of facts and figures but almost none of them had ever gotten their faces or ears burned in a hot fire. None of them had ever tried to stop the bleeding on someone who had been shot or stabbed multiple times or revive a person whose heart had stopped. They never got a lung full of chlorine or ammonia on a hazmat call. In short they had a lot of superficial knowledge but they had never gotten their hands dirty. A lot of them were strongly opinionated despite their lack of any meaningful experience.

And that reminds me of you. You talk about the amount of research and engineering that went into this or that device... Your posts suggest to me that you do have a diverse background with real world experience and thus have a distorted perspective. You really cannot tell us based on any real world experience the amount of effort that went into the first iPhone as compared to other devices that came before or after, electronic or mechanical.

I will end this post with some quotes from an article written about the first iPhone not long after it was released.

“Will the iPhone fundamentally alter the structure of the wireless world as well?

Not yet. The iPhone’s style and user interface are pathbreaking, and (as the iPod proved) aesthetics do matter. But the iPhone is—so far—not a product that will turn any industry inside out. Seen as a phone, the iPhone is striking. Seen as a small computer, it's limited, and compromised by the existing business models of the wireless industry. Saying the iPhone is a pointless gadget is a bit too strong. But it isn't yet a revolutionary device.”

“Most obviously, the iPhone is locked, as is de rigueur in the wireless world. It will work only with one carrier, AT&T. Judged by the standards of a personal computer or electronics, that's odd: Imagine buying a Dell that worked only with Comcast Internet access or a VCR that worked only with NBC. Despite the fact that the iPhone costs $500 or so, it cannot yet be brought over to T-Mobile or Verizon or Sprint. AT&T sees this as a feature, not a bug, as every new iPhone customer must commit to a two-year, $1,400 to $2,400 contract.”

“But while the iPhone has Wi-Fi, it doesn't let you do one very obvious thing with its Wi-Fi connection: make phone calls. In an ideal world, you might want to use AT&T when on the road and have your phone switch automatically to Skype or Vonage when at home, since they're much cheaper and can have better voice quality.” (The PPC-6700 was able to make voip calls using the appropriate available software)

The iPhone’s Achilles’ heel is its Internet access when it's not near a Wi-Fi hot spot. The fact that the iPhone can use only AT&T's rather slow EDGE network is a weakness that affects the phone's most exciting capabilities (such as application development, below). As the New York Times’ David Pogue writes, “You almost ache for a dial-up modem.” Oddly enough, you can't even download music directly from iTunes. (PPC-6700 could download basically anything that would fit on its mini-sd card)

“The iPhone is also a closed platform. Unlike your Macintosh computer, which can run whatever software developers write for it, the iPhone will, in native mode, run only whatever Apple (and AT&T) approve of. While there are some technical and security reasons to do things this way, there's an ideological point here, too. The closed iPhone stands in contrast to the open-platform design that has been the bedrock of both the personal computer and Internet revolutions. By design, the iPhone embodies the opposite of what made the Apple II so successful.”

“But the problem is that you have to be online to use a Web application. Unless you're in an open Wi-Fi zone, that means running right into the limits of AT&T's slower-than-a-dialup-modem EDGE network. In addition, the phone won't support Java or Flash, which are both important components of many powerful Web apps.” (PPC-6700 could run both Java and flash apps with the appropriate and available software installed)

“We're left to wonder, then, why the iPhone plays by the rules. Isn't this Apple, the company of “Think Different”? You could argue that the iPhone proves that Apple is no longer a company interested in transforming industries. Once Big Brother's foe, it's now more like Little Brother, happy to sell cute little devices that are easy to use, make money, and spread false consciousness.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/technology/2007/06/iphony.html

So I repeat for the umpteenth time... when I compared the first iPhone with the phone that I had already owned for 2 years... it came up short. And this was not just 10 or 20 minutes at a phone store... this was a detailed evaluation with a phone lent to me by one of my closest friends. The first iPhone would not do what I needed a smart phone to do. So to me it was not revolutionary it wasn't even useful enough to consider purchasing. It was a commercial success and did have an influence on cell phone designs that followed. But it had very few of the capabilities that current generations of iPhones possess today.

49 posted on 10/28/2017 7:18:28 PM PDT by fireman15
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To: fireman15; itsahoot; SamAdams76
OK, one last thing. YOU cite reviews from the introduction of the iPhone. . . and every single one of those reviews was proved WRONG by subsequent events. They went down in history as wrong as the patent office guy who closed the doors because, he claimed, everything that could be invented had already been invented. They were using their OLD PARADIGM CLOSED MINDS in their reviews and were making their conclusions based on the old paradigm. . . Where are these conclusions today, fireman15? Were they right? No, they were not right. These reviews are in the same vein as Palm CEO Ed Colligan's comments in November 2006 on Apple ever being able to enter the phone market:

Responding to questions from New York Times correspondent John Markoff at a Churchill Club breakfast gathering Thursday morning, Colligan laughed off the idea that any company — including the wildly popular Apple Computer — could easily win customers in the finicky smart-phone sector.

“We’ve learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone,” he said. “PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They’re not going to just walk in.”

Yet, fireman15, that is exactly what Apple did. Where is Palm today? RIP Palm.

Again, you are CHERRY PICKING only those reviews that fit YOUR misguided and outdated opinion. . . those that the writers are exceeding embarrassed they ever wrote them looking back with 20/20 hindsight. . . and some have said so.

54 posted on 10/29/2017 12:45:41 AM PDT by Swordmaker (My pistol self-identifies as an iPad, so you must accept it in gun-free zones, you racist, bigot!)
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