LVMPD and FBI in full damage control mode at latest press conference (Trunc)

Intellihub ^ | 10-13-2017 | Staff writet

[Trump_vs_Evil_Witch]

LVMPD and FBI show “hand-in-hand” solidarity in active shooter investigation, bar independent journalist from attending

(INTELLIHUB) — Sheriff Joseph Lombardo of the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department appeared to be visibly shaken when told reporters Friday that he wasn’t attempting to be “subversive” in previous statements he made surrounding details of the October 1 massacre at the Route 91 Music Festival where 58 people lost their lives.

In the ‘no questions’ conference, which members of the independent media were not allowed to attend, the sheriff said that he’s “well aware” of the timeline dispute released by MGM Management on Thursday which claims that Stephen Paddock fired his weapon into the crowd just seconds after Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos was struck by a bullet in the 32nd-floor hallway outside the shooter’s end suite.

[Kickass Conservative]

Haven’t heard much from the FBI regarding the shootings, but the whole thing is fluid until the i’s are dotted and the t’s are crossed.

Until everything is known, every conspiracy theory, and there are more of them every day, is pure conjecture.

Let me know when there is consensus on A SINGLE conspiracy theory here on Free Republic and I’ll get back to you.

[anton]

So you think he was concerned about return fire.

Too bad it didn’t happen.

But are you trying to prove my point? That there very well should have been return fire? If someone is shooting at me from an upper window, I think I am shooting back. You are worried about the possibility of being 20 feet off the target at 6oo feet and hitting someone in the floor above or below. I’d say you probably have experience with a pistol. Not a scoped rifle.

[Garth Tater]

"So you think he was concerned about return fire."

Who knows? He might have been as big of an idiot as you are saying that you would shoot into an occupied building - and then telling me what a marksman you are with a scoped rifle when you can't even do the basic geometry in your head.

"If he was shooting down into a crowd 320 feet below and 1300 feet down range, I guaranty he he was full up in the window."

Well doofus, (you might want to learn to spell the word if you are going to use it - it's spelled doofus, not doofuss) he would have had to shoot downward at less than a 15 degree angle from horizontal in order to target the concert goers, so no, he did not have to be "full up in the window" no matter what you "guaranty."

Soldier on keyboard warrior, I'm here patiently waiting for more words of your wisdom.

[anton]

OK, troll. You might not have noticed that the windows in the Mandalay are floor to ceiling. Do you think you might read a little before running your dainty little fingers on the keyboard?

Maybe you think he trenched into the carpet?

[little jeremiah]

I hope it does blow wide open, since it’s obvious so much is being hidden, and I can understand if suspects are being investigated. But even if there are suspects (alive ones) being investigated, a bit more could easily be made public.

Ping me or something if you hear anything, if you can.

[wgmalabama]

No need to explain to morons. What’s sad is that I have heard or seen that question asked way too much.

[Garth Tater]

Trenched into the carpet??? You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?

You would need to be shooting upwards at approximately a 28 degree angle and he could have been standing only 12 feet back from the window to be completely out of your line of sight. But with the bipods on his rifles it was likely he was proned out on the floor so he could have been less than 4 feet back from the window and still completely out of your line of sight - but don't let your lack of shooting knowledge (and basic geometry) interfere with your brave fantasy of saving the day. If you have the time I'd love to read again about how you can guarantee that he was right up there in the window for you to shoot oh great keyboard warrior, I need a good laugh.

[wgmalabama]

Give it to him. Don’t forget to mention if he shoots up the hotel in his pretend assistance and kills an innocent person looking out their hotel window it’s murder 2 and really no help to anyone. That range it was shooting at a heard not aiming. I’m a good hunter but I would not bet anyone’s life on that slot back even with my good rigs.

[going hot]

If the shooter was proned out, he could not get the angle he needed to shoot the fish.

[Garth Tater]

He is pretty clueless but I was just sitting here bored and thought I’d play with him for awhile. I just hope he doesn’t really have a rifle because he’s exactly the type that ends up putting holes where they don’t belong.

[Garth Tater]

Yeah, actually he could. Less than a 15 degree angle of declination was all that was needed. With windows broken out down to the floor his muzzle could have been 3 feet back from the edge and he could still have hit the concert goers. Do the math.

[going hot]

15 degrees? How far was the concert, and how high was the shooter?

[going hot]

Three feet back from the edge would mean he could see the horizon, and that is it.

[going hot]

Shooter could have one of them bend around barrels?

[Garth Tater]

Anton was using 320 feet elevation (32nd floor) and 1300 feet horizontally to the concert (I don’t know what the actual numbers are, I was just using his.) So, approximately 4 feet horizontally for each foot vertically. Same ratio would apply inside the room, so 36 inches back horizontally from the window with about a 9 inch muzzle elevation off the carpet would give a direct line of sight. Any compensation for bullet drop would just reduce that angle.

[going hot]

To shoot a target, the shooter needs to establish a line of sight.

Often times, the target gets the same line of sight, if they choose to return fire, for whatever reason.

Sometimes, they may be just pissed off at getting fired upon.

[Garth Tater]

You should have read the thread before commenting. Anton was setting up his position 600 feet from the hotel, so not the same lines at all. Anton would have been shooting upwards at a much steeper angle than Paddock was shooting downwards.

[going hot]

dude;

The triangle is from the muzzle end, down vertical to the ground, then on the x axis out to the impact zone, then the h axis back to the window. If he is laying back on the carpet, he cannot see the impact zone. He has to protrude the barrel out the window to get on target.

[Garth Tater]

Line of sight from the hotel to the concert is 1300 feet horizontally and 320 feet vertically - or a 4 to 1 ratio. Inside the hotel room it is 36 inches horizontally from the muzzle to the window and 9 inches vertically from the muzzle to the carpet - or a 4 to 1 ratio. Try to picture it in your mind - two triangles both with the same ratios of horizontal to vertical legs - now do you think the third legs of the triangles (the hypotenuses) would be at the same angle?

[cherry]

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