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Apple’s FaceID Could Be a Powerful Tool for Mass Spying
wired.com ^ | 09/14/2017 | Jake Laperruque

Posted on 09/17/2017 10:00:26 AM PDT by BenLurkin

Consumers are already questioning whether FaceID could be spoofed. And it's also possible police would be able to more easily unlock phones without consent by simply holding an individual’s phone up to his or her face.

But FaceID should create fear about another form of government surveillance: mass scans to identify individuals based on face profiles. Law enforcement is rapidly increasing use of facial recognition; one in two American adults are already enrolled in a law enforcement facial recognition network, and at least one in four police departments have the capacity to run face recognition searches.

Still, until now, co-opting consumer platforms hasn’t been an option. While Facebook has a powerful facial recognition system, it doesn’t maintain the operating systems that control the cameras on phones, tablets, and laptops that stare at us every day.

Apple’s new system changes that. For the first time, a company will have a unified single facial recognition system built into the world's most popular devices—the hardware necessary to scan and identify faces throughout the world.

(Excerpt) Read more at wired.com ...


TOPICS: Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: apple; faceid; facialrecognition; iphonefaceid
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An almost identical article, just substitute TouchID, was written several years ago by the same author and published in the same journal, when Apple came out with its subcutaneous non-fingerprint scanning system.

A footnote from WIRED on this article indicates this article was not generated by one of their staff writers but was submitted by an outside source. I suspect it was likely sourced from an Apple competitor, perhaps Samsung, a company whose financial papers indicate their yearly marketing expenses are four to five times larger than their advertising expenses due to paying for such things as astroturfing, social media trolling, spiffing their products with sales people, and product give-away programs.


21 posted on 09/17/2017 11:00:43 AM PDT by Swordmaker (!This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... bet if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: for-q-clinton

I think you mean the LG V30, which is not even out yet.


22 posted on 09/17/2017 11:16:17 AM PDT by adorno (w)
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To: for-q-clinton
The reason I can’t go with iPhone is because they got rid of the fingerprint reader. Looking at your phone to unlock is sucks.

The new Iphone 8 still has the fingerprint button. It is just the X that has face ID option. BTW, fingerprint sensors may not work on senior citizens. My Dad has that problem...

23 posted on 09/17/2017 11:17:25 AM PDT by EVO X
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To: BenLurkin

NOOOO....REALLY???


24 posted on 09/17/2017 11:22:07 AM PDT by montag813 (ue)
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To: BenLurkin

25 posted on 09/17/2017 11:23:18 AM PDT by montag813 (ue)
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To: discostu
> Pretty much all technical advances since the invention of the microchip can be used for mass spying.

Microchips AND the internet.

It is also of interest that the Federal Government was responsible for the development of both, NASA and the Air Force funded the IC industry (a prerequisite for microprocessors), and the DoD (not AlGore) backed the creation of the internet ...

26 posted on 09/17/2017 11:58:02 AM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: SecondAmendment

It’s not “of interest” it’s progress. They’re good technologies. They make data processing easier. Easier data processing helps anybody that processes data. Which includes me, and the FBI.

Technology is neutral, it simply exists, it is not good or bad it’s a tool. You can use a hammer to build a house, or you can use it to cripple a child, the hammer isn’t good or bad.


27 posted on 09/17/2017 12:08:03 PM PDT by discostu (Things are in their place, The heavens are secure, The whole thing explodes in my face)
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To: DHerion

“can you hold a photo of the person in front of the iPhone to get access?”
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No, you’ll have to get a Microsoft, Samsung or other Android device with “facial recognition” if you want to do that trick.


28 posted on 09/17/2017 12:18:33 PM PDT by House Atreides (Send BOTH Hillary & Bill to prison.)
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To: I want the USA back

“...law enforcement will be unable to resist the vast database at their fingertips.”
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There is NO database of Apple’s facial recognition software. Apple INTENTIONALLY, for the benefit of their customers’ security/privacy, designed it so Apple doesn’t collect the data and is, in fact, incapable of accessing that data which resides in ONLY one place...the customer’s iPhone. See post 9 above.


29 posted on 09/17/2017 12:27:26 PM PDT by House Atreides (Send BOTH Hillary & Bill to prison.)
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To: SamAdams76
What this means is that webcams will be everywhere.

Except in the offices of elected officials where they are actually needed.

30 posted on 09/17/2017 12:32:45 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ( "If fascism ever comes to America, it will be called liberalism." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: discostu
> Technology is neutral, it simply exists, it is not good or bad it’s a tool.

This is absolutely true.

We used the very same technology and scientists funded by the Nazis for war to get to the Moon.

However a very reasonable argument can be made that D.C. now holds the Constitution and the voters in contempt, and can no longer be trusted to use technology for good. A recent example is the House passing a bill to force autonomous vehicles on the roads, overriding the various States who have prohibited them.

31 posted on 09/17/2017 12:33:49 PM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: DHerion
can you hold a photo of the person in front of the iPhone to get access?

No. . . nor will a video, or a sculpture work.

32 posted on 09/17/2017 12:35:52 PM PDT by Swordmaker (!This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... bet if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: PIF
It only recognizances a 3-D image.

it doesn't even work with a 3D image. It has to be a real face. They experimented with 3D imaging, no go. 3D imaging is still a 2D flat surface simulating a 3D object. Apple's implementation works with a specific wavelength of infrared light projected from an LED on the iPhone which maps dots onto the user's face, a sensor then measures the distances of those dots and compares them to a stored, encrypted map of the user's face. If it matches, and the user is paying attention in a species way, it unlocks. If not, it won't. It has to be intentional.

33 posted on 09/17/2017 12:45:35 PM PDT by Swordmaker (!This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... bet if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: BenLurkin
Apple really should have stuck a fingerprint scanner on the back of the case. I'm all in favor of biometric security systems, I currently have to keep track of dozens of passwords, but facial recognition should be an option, not the only way. Until Apple finds a way to put a fingerprint scanner on their new front screen, I'll pass on the iPhone X.

And if Apple doesn't stop tearing up and blocking Tantau Avenue and finally conclude their endless construction, I might just pass on their products altogether. They're lousy neighbors and they have been for several years now. I really miss being able to take Pruneridge to get to the 280.
34 posted on 09/17/2017 12:46:37 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: for-q-clinton
Second, the ID is stored on device. I was about to go with an iPhone, but not now. It’s not because of security—that’s the one thing I like about Apple...they do take privacy seriously. Google doesn’t because they make money on selling your personal info. The reason I can’t go with iPhone is because they got rid of the fingerprint reader. Looking at your phone to unlock is sucks. Try driving and unlocking your phone. I have tried it and it stinks. Even when it works perfectly—it is way to distracting.

The iPhone 8 and 8 Plus which were released this week have the same processing speed as the iPhone X, and the 8 Plus has the same battery life as the X and "wireless" charging, but both the 8 and 8 Plus still have TouchID and not FaceID, so not to worry, you can have the iPhone's security and touch to unlock it too.

35 posted on 09/17/2017 12:58:01 PM PDT by Swordmaker (!This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... bet if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: EVO X
The new Iphone 8 still has the fingerprint button. It is just the X that has face ID option. BTW, fingerprint sensors may not work on senior citizens. My Dad has that problem...

The Apple "fingerprint" reader actually doesn't read fingerprints, it reads the subcutaneous fat valleys and ridges underneath the skin of the fingers. Older people start to lose those fat ridges which what supports the skin. The pattern slightly changes as the body reclaims the fat exaggerating the valleys. Extreme dieters can have this issue as well. Try re-doing the initial imprinting of his fingers. That could solve your dad's problem with the TouchID unlocking his iPhone.

36 posted on 09/17/2017 1:08:31 PM PDT by Swordmaker (!This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... bet if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: EVO X
The new Iphone 8 still has the fingerprint button. It is just the X that has face ID option. BTW, fingerprint sensors may not work on senior citizens. My Dad has that problem...

The Apple "fingerprint" reader actually doesn't read fingerprints, it reads the subcutaneous fat valleys and ridges underneath the skin of the fingers. Older people start to lose those fat ridges which what supports the skin. The pattern slightly changes as the body reclaims the fat exaggerating the valleys. Extreme dieters can have this issue as well. Try re-doing the initial imprinting of his fingers. That could solve your dad's problem with the TouchID unlocking his iPhone.

37 posted on 09/17/2017 1:08:32 PM PDT by Swordmaker (!This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... bet if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: SecondAmendment

They do hold the Constitution in contempt, but that has nothing to do with technology. Facial recognition IS good security, period. Autonomous vehicles ARE the future, period. Will the government find ways to abuse them? Has the government found ways to abuse everything? That’s just life.


38 posted on 09/17/2017 1:12:41 PM PDT by discostu (Things are in their place, The heavens are secure, The whole thing explodes in my face)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek
Apple really should have stuck a fingerprint scanner on the back of the case. I'm all in favor of biometric security systems, I currently have to keep track of dozens of passwords, but facial recognition should be an option, not the only way. Until Apple finds a way to put a fingerprint scanner on their new front screen, I'll pass on the iPhone X.

Why aren't you using Apple's keychain to create and keep track of your passwords? It works across all Apple devices and is essentially foolproof and extremely secure.

The other issue on TouchID is based on the fact that the technology is really not optical in nature nor is it truly a "scanner." Apple's far more secure system works on the subcutaneous structures of the finger below the actual fingerprint. That's why a photo of a fingerprint doesn't work on TouchID like it will on other maker's systems. Building a sensor into a Retina display that includes such a sensor without disrupting or distorting the display is nigh on to impossible at this time. Placing a home button sized sensor on the back of the device has its usability and human interface issues that for many applications are insurmountable.

39 posted on 09/17/2017 1:28:26 PM PDT by Swordmaker (!This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... bet if the insults to Mac users continue...)
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To: Swordmaker

At his age he doesn’t care about these things..


40 posted on 09/17/2017 1:30:27 PM PDT by EVO X
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