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How Did Opioids Become the Next American Tragedy?
8/8/17 | Originalbuckeye

Posted on 08/08/2017 12:55:41 PM PDT by originalbuckeye

IIRC, Obama was asked at a Townhall in 2008, whether a woman's 98 year old mother would be allowed to have a pacemaker inserted, after his health care plan was implemented. The woman said her mother still had a joi d'vivre and did not want to die. Didn't Obama reply 'well, maybe sometimes you should just take a pain pill'?


TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: opioids; slowmotioncoup; steyn
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To: Timpanagos1

“there is no evidence to suggest that the severity of physical pain is worse in some areas of the country”

Florida has lots of construction.

Florida uses heavy masonry blocks to build things.

So Floridians are more prone to pain.

There is also the lawsuit lottery problem.

Pain is the ticket to a $,$$$,$$$ settlement.

By the time a case gets settled, the injured party has a new problem: addiction.


21 posted on 08/08/2017 1:28:24 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: originalbuckeye

Opioids are very effective for numbing REAL pain
It separates your mind from your body
It is not pleasureful. Heroin. Tar. White pills
It should never be used for any recreational purpose
THC and alcohol are the only safe substances in moderation but only one is not toxic
Now you need a lot of alcohol to outright kill someone
Not so with pharmaceuticals. Death is very easy. Esp mixed with booze
In short one should not need anything to alter the mind state to be happy
For sure the lies that surround the “pleasure “ about junk and the opiate class need to be debunked It’s death and numbness
Cheers. Truth over power


22 posted on 08/08/2017 1:29:40 PM PDT by Truthoverpower (The guvmint you get is the Trump winning express !)
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To: PGR88

FOLLOW THE MONEY: Find out where the opioids are coming from, and ask why our DOJ enabled Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s friends, the Pakistani Awan spy ring to access all levels of classified and top secret information.

How convenient: ACA demands rationed healthcare, and then pushes opioids to ease the pain - the solution revealed by that genius, Barry Sotoero. Drugs trafficked into the U.S. to ensure addiction. Follow the money.


23 posted on 08/08/2017 1:32:52 PM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: Brian Griffin

So, bricks in Florida are more heavy than the bricks in Colorado?


24 posted on 08/08/2017 1:33:31 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: reasonisfaith

I was about to post just the opposite.

After our attempts to destroy forty percent of Afghanistan’s economy by eradicating their opiate production, we find ourselves swimming in opioids. Part of the problem might be with those who think suffering from pain is noble, so long as someone else has to do it. There’d be no black market if doctors prescribed whatever is necessary without being scolded for doing so.


25 posted on 08/08/2017 1:34:00 PM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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To: Timpanagos1

They are not the same drug.

They are similar drugs.

Compare the structures:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxycodone

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin


26 posted on 08/08/2017 1:35:09 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Timpanagos1
They are the same drug and the addiction is exactly the same.

Its easy to say - these are all opioids of one kind or another, and addiction is addiction no matter what. But do all (or even a few) "abusers" of oxycotin for pain wind up on the street injecting heroin cut with fentanyl?

27 posted on 08/08/2017 1:35:58 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: originalbuckeye

Participation trophies and robots is what set up this tragedy - I feel sorry for those kids, what have they been taught about work ethic, making yourself better, striving and sacrificing...nothing...and now their jobs are going to robots.
I thank the Lord I am getting old and will be checking out in 20 or so years.


28 posted on 08/08/2017 1:37:56 PM PDT by Jolla
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To: originalbuckeye

Nope.

It started with a law suit for inadequate pain treatment. Doctor and hospital lost the case. This was followed by panic among docs and insurers which led to pain as the 5th vital sign and a requirement. Later payment to docs was tied to patient satisfaction.

The system was rigged to pay docs to give narcs and keep them happy or to put docs at significant risk of being sued for non-treatment of pain with the bonus of decreased payment for services by insurers.

The ship is starting to right itself but this has been more than 20 years in the making.


29 posted on 08/08/2017 1:38:22 PM PDT by dangerdoc (disgruntled)
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To: dp0622

“The company that makes oxycodone lost a 650 million-dollar lawsuit because they covered evidence that it actually was addictive. Gee what a shock.”

This is what the DEA believes:

“Schedule II/IIN Controlled Substances (2/2N)

“Substances in this schedule have a high potential for abuse which may lead to severe psychological or physical dependence.

“Examples of Schedule II narcotics include: hydromorphone (Dilaudid®), methadone (Dolophine®), meperidine (Demerol®), oxycodone (OxyContin®, Percocet®), and fentanyl (Sublimaze®, Duragesic®). Other Schedule II narcotics include: morphine, opium, codeine, and hydrocodone.”

https://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/schedules/


30 posted on 08/08/2017 1:38:31 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: originalbuckeye

The real Tragedy are going to be a the thousands of people that will needlessly suffer because doctors won’t be allowed to prescribe opioids to people with chronic pain because of this garbage.


31 posted on 08/08/2017 1:39:13 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: dp0622

“Like I said in another thread it was supposed to only be for cancer patients. But enough palms got greased.”

Once a drug is approved by the FDA, a doctor is normally free to prescribe it for what he/she thinks is an appropriate use.

If you were is constant pain, you might like to have constant pain relief.


32 posted on 08/08/2017 1:41:13 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: reasonisfaith
I guess it helped that over 4000 KIA and a rotation of over a million men protecting Poppy Fields can be considered.

I also know for a fact there are a great many Doctors and Pharmacists who belong in prison.

33 posted on 08/08/2017 1:42:35 PM PDT by shanover (...To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them.-S.Adams)
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To: Timpanagos1

“So, bricks in Florida are more heavy than the bricks in Colorado?”

We use 8x8x16 concrete blocks, they weigh about forty pounds each.

A standard brick I think weighs about five pounds.


34 posted on 08/08/2017 1:44:50 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: PGR88

The path to being a junkie is not relevant.


35 posted on 08/08/2017 1:45:44 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: shanover

“great many Doctors and Pharmacists who belong in prison”

Doctors, yes

Pharmacists, no

Pharmacists simply put pills in bottles per doctors’ prescriptions.


36 posted on 08/08/2017 1:46:58 PM PDT by Brian Griffin
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To: Brian Griffin

And what percentage of the people in Florida are employed laying 40 pound bricks?


37 posted on 08/08/2017 1:48:07 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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To: Brian Griffin

Cause you know me and know I had a TBI 10 years ago with incredible headaches.

I took that garbage, all it does is make you high for a few minutes.

but keep babbling


38 posted on 08/08/2017 1:53:07 PM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know that if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: Brian Griffin

And yet they were handed out like candy for decades. Great.


39 posted on 08/08/2017 1:57:56 PM PDT by dp0622 (The Left should know that if Trump is kicked out of office, it is WAR!)
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To: Timpanagos1

Elderly folks with the pain old age brings make up a lot of Florida’s population. That may be why the state has a higher usage.


40 posted on 08/08/2017 1:59:45 PM PDT by sparklite2 (I'm less interested in the rights I have than the liberties I can take.)
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