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Who Was The Least Expendable Hero of The American Revolution?

Posted on 07/04/2017 2:32:11 PM PDT by Eagles Field

I always savor the insight Freeper History Buffs offer, especially the spirited difference in opinion. The easy answers are Washington, Jefferson, the like. Who are the ones unsung, where the tide may not have turned without?


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous; Society
KEYWORDS: 4thofjuly; georgewashington; history; independenceday; usa
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To: clyde260

Battle of Pells Point: Glover doesn’t hold Howe & Clinton, and Washington doesn’t get to White Plains then War over Oct. 18, 1776.

Unsung battle and unsung hero’s.


141 posted on 07/04/2017 6:03:08 PM PDT by clyde260 (Public Enemy #1: Network News!)
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To: Publius

Saratoga was a crucial point in the Revolution. It showed that the Americans could defeat a British army and brought the French in on our side. Schuyler had set the British up using Fabian strategy and isn’t given enough credit. The memoirs of Baroness Riedesel who accompanied Burgoyne’s invading army is an interesting read. She called the Americans natural-born soldiers and good shots.


142 posted on 07/04/2017 6:15:49 PM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: Eagles Field; JimSEA

Two of my German ancestors put down their plows to fight. One scrap of a diary I have says “We encountered some Indians on the way to fight. Fought the British. Went home to farm.”


143 posted on 07/04/2017 6:19:20 PM PDT by angry elephant (My MAGA cap is from a rally in Washingon state in May 2016)
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To: laconic

So many great military men were also alcoholics. One wonders whether their profession drove them to it.


144 posted on 07/04/2017 6:22:17 PM PDT by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: sargon
...Thinking in terms of the earlier part of the Revolution, I'd have to say Samuel Adams was indispensable, so he'd be another candidate for "2nd least expendable".

This is one of those impossible questions to answer, but it's good to see someone remember Samuel Adams....

145 posted on 07/04/2017 6:25:34 PM PDT by awelliott (What one generation tolerates, the next embraces....)
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To: Mollypitcher1

I think it’s more that everyone drank like fishes in those days, regardless of profession.


146 posted on 07/04/2017 6:29:27 PM PDT by Tax-chick (The Golden Rule. Just that.)
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To: Tax-chick

Have your kids play 1776 instead...

https://www.boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/3312/1776


147 posted on 07/04/2017 6:36:01 PM PDT by GreenLanternCorps (Hi! I'm the Dread Pirate Roberts! (TM) Ask about franchise opportunities in your area.)
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To: Eagles Field
Captain General Bernardo Vicente de Gálvez y Madrid, the governor of Louisiana, is probably not a household name in the US, but he played a vital role in the War of the American Revolution. Spanish forces under his command drove the British out of Louisiana and captured Mobile in 1780. In 1781, his troops won the decisive Battle of Pensacola, which drove the British out of Florida and eliminated a potential British threat to the the southern flank of the Americans fighting to the north.

Galveston, Texas and Galvez, La. are named in honor of Gálvez.

148 posted on 07/04/2017 6:38:11 PM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: LS

I’ll have to agree. If Felxner says it was Washington, that is a good enough source for me. I finally found a copy of Flexner’s six volume history of Washington last year. Haven’t had a chance to read it yet.


149 posted on 07/04/2017 7:13:21 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: laconic

Oh, I like that approach.


150 posted on 07/04/2017 7:14:25 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: clyde260

Halleck and Lincoln actually assigned a young officer to Grant whose primary task was to keep him away from prospective suppliers to the Army who would ply him with champagne and liquor in an attempt to get business. Lincoln finally arranged to have Grant’s wife brought to camp.


151 posted on 07/04/2017 7:20:59 PM PDT by laconic (thes)
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To: Fiji Hill

I was doing research on my paternal ancestors in Georgia around 1994. One type of record which was well preserved was Revolutionary War Veterans requests for pensions. They were required to provide such info as one would expect.

One thing was what battles campaigns etc. they participated in. I noticed a really large number had listed “The Florida Campaign” as if everyone knew what that was. I have never heard of it in the history books but it must have been fairly well known back then.


152 posted on 07/04/2017 7:34:20 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: Retain Mike

He’s the best. His one-volume “Washington: The Indispensable Man” is also great.


153 posted on 07/04/2017 8:58:23 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: MUDDOG

Thanks, but I don’t think his interviews really get to the heart of the matter. It’s like he’s got his six questions & has to get through them.


154 posted on 07/04/2017 8:59:20 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: Mollypitcher1

yes, in PHUSA we make the point that it’s ironic: the French Navy really only wins one major victory over the Brits-—in our Revolution!


155 posted on 07/04/2017 9:00:13 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: txhurl

You have to wonder if in fact Houston had taken his 1500 men to the Alamo, given that the 250 guys in the Alamo inflicted 1000 casualties on the Mexicans, imagine what 1750 men with more artillery might have done!


156 posted on 07/04/2017 9:03:05 PM PDT by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: laconic

Yes, to be sure he did have a “time”, but it was temporary and yet it stuck with his reputation till this day.


157 posted on 07/04/2017 9:06:47 PM PDT by clyde260 (Public Enemy #1: Network News!)
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To: LS

I remember years ago how I was going to read that series I just bought, but then there was a TV series over several weeks about Washington that they said was based on those books. Well, I was checking them out from the library and they just disappeared.

I saide to myself, OK I’ll read about the Civil War, and began to accumulate some used books. That worked for a while until Ken Burns presented his Civil War series. You can then guess what luck I had finding books at used book and thrift stores.


158 posted on 07/04/2017 9:10:47 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: LS

Sam made it real clear to abandon the Alamo as it would not be receiving support. It confused Santa Ana, why would Houston give that post up?

Deception. Sam learned studying George that your enemy can be conquered by feint. That’s why the Alamo is right up there with other ‘battkes’ that that the enemy fell for.


159 posted on 07/04/2017 11:25:04 PM PDT by txhurl (Time to blow the Queen and King off the board, DJT, and by your birthday, or on it!)
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To: Eagles Field

General Herkimer who held off the British under St. Leger at Oriskeny. That left Burgoyne alone to fight Saratoga.


160 posted on 07/05/2017 3:23:50 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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