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Schumer opposes Trump plan to privatize air traffic control
Associated Press ^ | Jun 11, 2017 7:24 AM EDT

Posted on 06/11/2017 8:12:36 AM PDT by Olog-hai

Sen. Charles Schumer says President Donald Trump’s plan to privatize the nation’s air traffic control system could mean higher costs for consumers.

The New York Democrat and Senate minority leader said Sunday that the plan Trump announced on June 5 would give airlines too much control over costs.

He also said that during any national security emergency, privatization could hamper communication between air traffic controllers and the Department of Defense. …

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Travel
KEYWORDS: airtrafficcontrol; atc; schumer; trump
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To: Olog-hai

That figures, the Dumnicrats, especaly the Boss Hogg ones, want GoberMent (I.E. ONLY THEM), only them, of everything.


21 posted on 06/11/2017 8:36:58 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country.)
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To: Olog-hai

Actually it would mean that the union support and dollars for Shumer and the other rats would dry up.


22 posted on 06/11/2017 8:40:19 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: All

Hell, if President Trump offered the Senate a raise, Schumer would reject it....


23 posted on 06/11/2017 8:41:51 AM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: Olog-hai
Schumer opposes Trump plan to privatize air traffic control


Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

First of all it's 'Trump's' plan;

Second - it shrinks government; and

Third -sChMukie Schumer is too stupid to realize that it reduces our obligations, both in payroll and equipment, and it reduces future retirement funding because that would be the responsibility of the private company, NOT the government.

24 posted on 06/11/2017 8:42:05 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (The Bilderbergers are attempting to overthrow the Constitutionally Elected President)
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To: Louis Foxwell

One of the many


25 posted on 06/11/2017 8:44:44 AM PDT by clamper1797 (We are getting close to the last "box")
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To: Olog-hai

I think Schumer opposes every breath the President takes.


26 posted on 06/11/2017 8:54:00 AM PDT by Sasparilla ( I'm Not tired of Winning.)
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To: clamper1797
Schmucky Shumer would oppose the second coming if Trump announced it

Shmucky is a JINO (Jewish in Name Only), and JINOs are opposed to any Messiah that isn't their own, or perhaps more accurately, any Messiah at all, because liberalism is their true religion. Oh... and need I add, party politics?

27 posted on 06/11/2017 8:58:50 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Olog-hai

What else do we expect from flat-earther schumer and fellow demoncrats?


28 posted on 06/11/2017 8:59:57 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Parmy

Exactly. Gotta preserve those government UNION jobs.


29 posted on 06/11/2017 9:01:31 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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To: Olog-hai

(this post will make me a lot of friends)

My observations about ‘privatizing’ ATC is as follows:

1) Socialist governments in Canada and Europe have used privatization to ‘prove’ that they too believe in capitalism...as if handing over control of that asset to a well-connected crony company is capitalism.

2) The countries with privatization have literally wiped out general aviation (at least at the lower levels, not at the Gulfstream / Learjet levels). Why? Because if it costs $50 to talk to a controller to land at an airport, it’s still in the noise for the big operators but is a very high cost for a private person, especially when they have to talk to controllers multiple times on a flight - such as in bad weather.

So the privates are forced off the grid. If we want to do that, then fine, let’s have THAT discussion...it’s fair game. Get the little guys out, and government-run Air Traffic Control would have huge amounts of freed up resources and might be able to keep up with technology much better. The FAA is required by law to treat all air traffic the same, and not charge for services...there is no example of a ‘private’ ATC operation ‘giving away’ its services.

But it’s silly to think just handing off the task to a crony would solve the problems because it’s no longer government - the problems will likely get solved mainly because private aviation will be effectively wiped out by the handover (one of the reasons airlines push this so hard). Again, if we want to have that discussion...let’s have it.

Anyway, I’m no fan of Schumer, nor any of the Dems, to say the least. But I do think it’s reasonable to have an open debate here.

And if you guys don’t because it’s Schumer - consider something that Trump DID NOT SAY this week, but did float in the recent past...which is allowing states to set up tolling on Interstates. If Schumer came out against tolling on Interstates, would we here all be DEMANDING that Interstates be tolled?


30 posted on 06/11/2017 9:01:50 AM PDT by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: BobL

False dilemma when all private operation is presumed to be “cronies” (per Lenin’s New Economic Policy). With all due respect.

And I have no problem with genuine private-sector road tolling.


31 posted on 06/11/2017 9:04:24 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: GreenHornet

“If President Trump asked congress to appropriate $10. to cure cancer, Schumer would immediately announce his opposition to it”.

That’s right. Schumer would say it would put Doctors and Nurses out of work.


32 posted on 06/11/2017 9:04:34 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals/Progressives.have diseased minds.)
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To: Olog-hai

You do understand that genuine private sector tolling cannot exist for roadways, due to monopolies on rights of way.

In other words, 10 airlines fly between New York and Chicago and compete on a near-equal level...do we have 10 parallel highways doing the same, so that we can choose the one with the lowest price? Does any country? It’s difficult to imagine 40+ concrete lanes between NY and Chicago (10 highways), when only 6 or so are needed.

Bottom line...surface travel will always be in the hands of government...either directly or indirectly through companies that they choose. Same with ATC.

And yes, it is ALWAYS cronies. We dealt with that non-stop during the last decade in Texas, when Governor Perry’s Highway Department chief (Williamson) came over directly from Cintra (a major toll road operator)...and immediately demanded that toll booths be set up on 3 sections of I-10.


33 posted on 06/11/2017 9:13:22 AM PDT by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: BobL
BobL... From the sound of it you are a pilot and get that Gen-Av will take it in the shorts. 3 things I don't have conformation on. Fuel Taxes for Aviation ( A great flat tax if you will by the way ) are being borrowed against or we are not seeing them 100% back to aviation. The 2nd, would their a carve out for Gen-Av. The 3rd, I have not heard from Jim Inhofe the advocate for Gen-Av in the House and Senate.

FWIW, I spoke w/ one of my Gen-Av buds this past week who was for it since he knows of some privatized towers, and he hears any issues of hardware, software,and systems such as ILS, if they have a failure it is fixed right away vs months of waiting for procurement paperwork to get done.

34 posted on 06/11/2017 9:20:53 AM PDT by taildragger (Do you hear the people singing? The Song of Angry Men!....)
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To: jospehm20
"Schumer just plain sucks." But his niece is really hot. Image and video hosting by TinyPic Shade in the summer, warmth in the winter/
35 posted on 06/11/2017 9:25:32 AM PDT by tumblindice ("Fight for your country." Hector)
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To: taildragger

I work in a job where I hear a lot of pilot complaints.

I agree...General Aviation could be carved out of a privatization plan...but it’s still a slippery slope, as the carve out will quickly vanish once another Obama takes over. Kind of like saying that all guns other than semi-automatic handguns need to be registered...and we FReepers go away thinking that we our prime line of defense is safe. The problem, of course, is that last step is very easy and quick to do, as all of the infrastructure is in place, with the bugs out...one stroke of the pen.

Procurement reform is not a hard problem to solve...if we want to (and it’s something that extends well beyond the FAA and well into the private sector, for that matter). It’s very simple, set relatively high levels for authorization by lower-level employees. For example, maybe $1000 for the lowest person, and $20,000 for his first-line manager, etc. Then audit...if unjustified, hold that person financially and legally responsible for the money.

I know of a company that went in the opposite direction and it nearly killed them...but there’s no reason it can’t be done both by government and the private sector...and it fits right up Trump’s alley.


36 posted on 06/11/2017 9:32:00 AM PDT by BobL (In Honor of the NeverTrumpers, I declare myself as FR's first 'Imitation NeverTrumper')
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To: USNBandit
He also said that during any national security emergency, privatization could hamper communication between air traffic controllers and the Department of Defense. …

He obviously has no idea how that communication takes place. Completely grasping at straws.

I'm retired after 31 years with Verizonbusiness (formerly MCI, then WorldCom). As a senior technician I was well aware that in a national emergency we would have been placed under national control.

Notwithstanding that, I was proud that I was able to work seemingly endless overtime hours after 9/11 to get American Express back in service with emergency reroutes when they were forced to evacuate their headquarters.

37 posted on 06/11/2017 9:42:39 AM PDT by higgmeister ( In the Shadow of The Big Chicken)
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To: Olog-hai

Sen. Charles Schumer needs to have a few more drinks with old moneybag’s boring son...

Hey Chuckie - Soros’s son wants to hang out with you for the rest of your life...


38 posted on 06/11/2017 9:43:55 AM PDT by GOPJ (Did Russia weigh in FOR THE SAKE OF BERNIE SANDERS'S ROUGE SUPPORTERS??)
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To: BobL
California did have private sector tolling for roadways before the government decided to take over all of the roads. Might have been late 19th century, but the government did not take over a model that was failing. And no, there is no monopoly on right of way in such cases any more than an individual railroad monopolizes its right of way—that is a false argument that attempts to distract from the actual monopoly that government-owned roads is, along with government-owned airport infrastructure.

Surface transportation infrastructure did not start in the hands of the government at all. Even with the abuse of the Postal Clause. But socialists always aim for it to be. That is why it is canonized by the left as the Sixth Plank of Communism:
“Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.” (German original omits “communication”.
So I have no problem opposing state monopolies of transportation infrastructure. The left was always out to centralize the railroads due to their independence and success as fully private concerns; they almost succeeded when Woodrow Wilson took over all the railroads under the USRA (reversed by his successor), they almost succeeded again when they regulated and taxed the railroads out of business after WWII as well as “competed” with them via their monopoly on road and air, resulting in Amtrak and Conrail; and they are almost succeeding again even in spite of deregulation on the rail freight side (we are down to just five Class 1 railroads these days, down from about 127 in 1950 and about 40 in 1980). Please try to refrain from proof by assertion, with all due respect.
39 posted on 06/11/2017 9:48:51 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai

I read that there are Republicans who do too. Without Republican support, he won’t get it through.


40 posted on 06/11/2017 9:51:50 AM PDT by Pinkbell (http://dtforpres.blogspot.com/2017/05/tips-for-trump-beating-russia-narrative.html)
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