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The Most (And Least) Worthwhile College Degrees
Zero Hedge ^ | 03/06/2017

Posted on 03/05/2017 8:28:29 PM PST by SeekAndFind

For many young people, the decision of whether to extend their education careers and attend university is a tough one to make. With soaring costs, Statista's Martin Armstrong notes, not all that choose to do a bachelor's degree graduate with the feeling that it was all worthwhile.

Emolument surveyed 1,800 graduates to reveal that the most regretted major is psychology. Only 33 percent of bachelors of this particular science said their degree was worth it. On the other end of the scale, 87 percent of chemistry and natural sciences alumni said they felt their studies were worth it.

Infographic: The Most (and Least) Worthwhile Degrees | Statista

You will find more statistics at Statista

We are reminded of The Mises Institute's Josh Grossman comments, that easy access to student loans has created demand for useless degrees.

Last week, former Secretary of Education and US Senator Lamar Alexander wrote in the Wall Street Journal that a college degree is both affordable and an excellent investment. He repeated the usual talking point about how a college degree increases lifetime earnings by a million dollars, “on average.” That part about averages is perhaps the most important part, since all college degrees are certainly not created equal. In fact, once we start to look at the details, we find that a degree may not be the great deal many higher-education boosters seem to think it is.

In my home state of Minnesota, for example, the cost of obtaining a four-year degree at the University of Minnesota for a resident of Minnesota, North Dakota, South Dakota, Manitoba, or Wisconsin is $100,720 (including room and board and miscellaneous fees). For private schools in Minnesota such as St. Olaf, however, the situation is even worse. A four-year degree at this institution will cost $210,920.

This cost compares to an average starting salary for 2014 college graduates of $48,707. However, like GDP numbers this number is misleading because it is an average of all individuals who obtained a four-year degree in any academic field. Regarding the average student loan debt of an individual who graduated in 2013, about 70 percent of these graduates left college with an average student loan debt of $28,400. This entails the average student starting to pay back these loans six months after graduation or upon leaving school without a degree. The reality of this situation is that assuming a student loan interest rate of 6.8 percent and a ten-year repayment period, the average student will be paying $326.83 every month for 120 months or a cumulative total re-payment of $39,219.28. Depending upon a student’s job, this amount can be a substantial monthly financial burden for the average graduate.

All Degrees Are Not of Equal Value

Unfortunately, there is no price incentive for students to choose degrees that are most likely to enable them to pay back loans quickly or easily. In other words, these federal student loans are subsidizing a lack of discrimination in students’ major choice. A person majoring in communications can access the same loans as a student majoring in engineering. Both of these students would also pay the same interest rate, which would not occur in a free market.

In an unhampered market, majors that have a higher probability of default should be required to pay a higher interest rate on money borrowed than majors with a lower probability of default. In summary, it is not just the federal government’s subsidization of student loans that is increasing the cost of college, but the fact that demand for low-paying and high-default majors is increasing, because loans for these majors are supplied at the same price as a major providing high salaries to its possessor with a low probability of default.

And which programs are the most likely to pay off for the student? The top five highest paying bachelor’s degrees include: petroleum engineering, actuarial mathematics, nuclear engineering, chemical engineering and electronics and communications engineering, while the top five lowest paying bachelor’s degrees are: animal science, social work, child development and psychology, theological and ministerial studies, and human development, family studies, and related services. Petroleum engineering has an average starting salary of $93,500 while animal science has an average starting salary of $32,700. This breaks down for a monthly salary for the petroleum engineer of $7,761.67 versus a person working in animal science with a monthly salary of $2,725. Based on the average monthly payment mentioned above, this would equate to a burden of 4.2 percent of monthly income (petroleum engineer) versus a burden of 12 percent of monthly income (animal science). This debt burden is exacerbated by the fact that it is now nearly impossible to have student loan debts wiped away even if one declares bankruptcy.

Ignoring Careers That Don’t Require a Degree

Meanwhile, there are few government loan programs geared toward funding an education in the trades. And yet, for many prospective college students, the trades might be a much more lucrative option. Using the example of plumbing, the average plumber earns $53,820 per year with the employer paying the apprentice a wage and training.

Acknowledging the fact that this average salary is for master plumbers, it still equates to a $20,000 salary difference between it and someone with a four-year degree in animal science while having no student loans as a bonus. Outside of earning a four-year degree in science, technology, engineering, math or, accounting with an average starting salary of $53,300, nursing with an average starting salary of $53,624, or as a family practice doctor on the lower end of physician pay of $161,000, society might be better served if parents and educators would stop using the canard that a four-year degree is always worth the cost outside of a few majors mentioned above. Encouraging students to consider the trades and parents to give their children the money they would spend on a four-year college degree to put a down payment on a house might be a better use of finite economic resources. The alternative of forcing the proverbial square peg into a round hole will condemn another generation to student debt slavery forcing them to put off buying a home or getting married.

Loans Drive Overall Demand

The root of the problem is intervention by the federal government in providing student loans. Since 1965 when President Johnson signed the Higher Education Act tuition, room, and board has increased from $1,105 per year to $18,943 in 2014–2015. This is an increase of 1,714 percent in 50 years. In addition, the Higher Education Act of 1965 created loans which are made by private institutions yet guaranteed by the federal government and capped at 6.8 percent. In case of default on the loans, the federal government — that is, the taxpayers — pick up the tab in order for these lenders to recover 95 cents on every dollar lent. Loaning these funds at below market interest rates and with the federal government backing up these risky loans has led to massive malinvestment as the percentage of high-school graduates enrolled in some form of higher education has increased from 10 percent before World War II to 70 percent by the 1990s. Getting a four-year degree in nearly any academic field seemed to be the way in which to enter or remain in the middle class.

But just as with the housing bubble, keeping interest below market levels while increasing the money supply in terms of loans — while having the taxpayer on the hook for a majority of these same loans — leads to an avalanche of defaults and is a recipe for disaster.

 



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; Society
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To: Leaning Right

A California university just fired all of its IT personnel to hire all foreign workers. I don’t begrudge a company for wanting to earn a profit, but in the case where the hypocrisy runs deep, then I object. Disney let go of all of its IT workers but before they let them go they had to train the foreigner workers or they received no severance pay or recommendations. Its not the pay that gets me, its the fact that the H1-B visa program is being exploited at the expense of US citizens who must live and work in this country. I know a company who rotated personnel in a position every two years. They were based out of Bangalore. It was not uncommon for an individual to come off the plane work for a month then head home for six months to get married then come back to the same job.


21 posted on 03/05/2017 10:17:47 PM PST by zaxtres
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To: SeekAndFind
Now I ain't no mathemagician but they're all the same. They all equal 100%. 😉
22 posted on 03/05/2017 10:21:55 PM PST by Old Yeller (Auto-correct has become my worst enema.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I doubt if I spent $1,000 on my degree. I tested out.


Wow can you please share where you went and how you did that...

I have a neighbor with 4 college bound...he would be very interested to spend $1000 (well $1000 in 2017 dollars) and test out.


23 posted on 03/05/2017 10:28:04 PM PST by Freedom56v2 (JOHN 8:32 THEN YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.)
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To: Freedom56v2

Here are some examples:

http://www.businessinsider.com/test-out-of-college-graduate-in-1-year-with-degree-by-examination-2012-6

https://www.usnews.com/education/online-education/articles/2013/08/06/finish-an-online-degree-via-credit-by-exam

http://www.tesu.edu/degree-completion/Testing.cfm

http://www.tesu.edu/tuition/how-much.cfm


24 posted on 03/05/2017 10:37:28 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: SeekAndFind

LAW on a 4-year degree!
Who knew?
My oh my, how things have changed since my day.

/s


25 posted on 03/05/2017 10:42:22 PM PST by onyx (DONATE MONTHLY! JOIN Club 300!)
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To: TheNext

H1-B Visa is a ban on citizenship for all STEM degrees. Engineering degrees are money losers for many because managers are US citizens but demand foreigners beneath.

75% of Silicon Valley are foreigners.

Now how much is your child’s tech degree worth when the industry demands foreigners??


The visa problem starts long before H-1b Visas are awarded. It starts freshman year in college—unlike H-1B Visas which have caps on the number awarded annually, with student visas, there are no caps on the number of student visas awarded.

Also, there are internship incentives for keeping those foreign student here as newly graduated workers that make it more attractive for companies like google to hire foreign students right out of school than hiring US students. Those internships can last a couple years.

The internship factor with unlimited student visas creates a bottleneck when the foreign newly graduated interns have to switch to the limited H-1b Visa program after a couple years. This creates a foreign student retention problem for tech companies...This is a major reason why all the tech companies have been fiercely lobbying to get the H-1b caps increased—so they can keep the foreign students they hired right out of school on student interneships as employees on H-1b Visas...all the while paying them less as many of them are the equivalent of twenty-first century indentured servants.

I hope some enterprising journalist or writer will blow the lid sky high on this outrageous scam.

University of Illinois actually sends recruiters to China to recruit students. It’s nickname is University of China... The university, a STATE school, is taxpayer supported, yet Illinois taxpayers are finding it increasingly difficult to send their students there.

My son, a computer engineer who works in San Jose, has suggested that US students interested in STEM/computers focus on hardware and firmware as many of the foreign training programs don’t have the resources to purchase current top quality hardware like US schools can purchase. date hardware.

If I had a student looking for a major, I would be likely be suggesting a major that would prepare for a career in Big Data in private sector. I think there is huge demand there, and it is not going down anywhere soon.


26 posted on 03/05/2017 10:57:20 PM PST by Freedom56v2 (JOHN 8:32 THEN YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Thanks...will pass along.

The schools my kids went to required a certain number of hours taken at the University to graduate and a limit on placement testing/CLEP testing...They were able to take AP courses in HS though that helped reduce their required general ed courses.

Even tho they went to state schools, their degrees were not cheap even with scholarships, however, they are all gainfully employed in their fields and doing well—at least for now.

I just know it has to be hard for my neighbor with 4—and I know he has been saving, his kids are good students, one is going to community college for first 2 years, one likely to get wrestling scholarship, etc. Anything I can pass along will be appreciated.

On Tucker Carlson, I saw a guy with a new program called AXIS—it is a program with companies hiring students into internships with no college...students get paid and they have a 98% placement rate. it looked interesting, and I am going to share that idea too...

Thanks again.


27 posted on 03/05/2017 11:06:58 PM PST by Freedom56v2 (JOHN 8:32 THEN YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Good ol' Psychology right at the bottom.

When I was in college, all the highest GPAs on the Deans List were always the Psych majors.

Everybody knew it was a sham degree.

28 posted on 03/05/2017 11:22:58 PM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Freedom56v2

Another route is the GI Bill, of course.


29 posted on 03/05/2017 11:37:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You cannot invade the mainland US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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To: TheNext

Plenty of unemployed engineers in Houston.


30 posted on 03/05/2017 11:55:56 PM PST by 353FMG (AMERICA FIRST.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

True...however, 2 of neighbor’s kids might not be eligible even if they wanted to serve, though I am sure dad would feel better having kids in military with our new CIC :)

One currently at community college probably would not make it thru med qualification as she has had Non-Hodgkin lymphoma twice!!! Pretty unbelievable to have it twice! She has been well for 2 or 3 years now, but I am sure that would raise some eyebrows on a DOD medical information form. One of mine was disqualified from academy because of a recent back injury from a car accident.

Another of neighbor’s kids, a junior in high school, was hospitalized last fall for some sort of severe colitis...I mean major issues; in hospital for several days and docs could not stop pain, he could not eat etc...major concerns! His condition is now manageable but somewhat chronic...

Anyway, we often talk about college stuff as I have had 3 that have seen light at the end of tunnel, so I will gladly pass along the information you have shared.


31 posted on 03/06/2017 12:16:05 AM PST by Freedom56v2 (JOHN 8:32 THEN YOU WILL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Saving this. Thanks for posting it all!


32 posted on 03/06/2017 12:32:54 AM PST by octex
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To: SeekAndFind

Regulations prohibiting testing of potential hires for a position is also what caused so many employers to just put “college degree” as a requirement. That reinforced “you gotta get a degree to get a decent job”.


33 posted on 03/06/2017 12:55:20 AM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: SeekAndFind

A degree simply gets you into a corporation. It is then up to you to demonstrate your intelligence and worth to the corporation. My final salary after 37 years in mechanical engineering field was 14 times bigger than my starting salary.


34 posted on 03/06/2017 1:34:32 AM PST by entropy12 (Enough winning Mr President already!)
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To: SeekAndFind

My Graphic Design degree (2 year degree at that) has served me well over the years.


35 posted on 03/06/2017 3:40:51 AM PST by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why isn’t the MRS. degree listed?


36 posted on 03/06/2017 4:18:01 AM PST by outofsalt ( If history teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything)
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To: umgud
28 years ago I hired a lab manager, a chemist with a PHD, for $40K. Seemed pretty low for a fellow with all that education.

That is about $78K in today dollars. I suspect that is near the going rate for nontenured chemists at the local university in flyover country. Might even be a bit high.

37 posted on 03/06/2017 4:36:36 AM PST by EVO X
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To: jobim

I agree with you that it’s what you do with your degree that matters. My daughter attends a catholic high school and the staff there seems very happy. I have had conversations with a couple of teachers and they loved teaching there and want to retire at the school. Money is not everything!


38 posted on 03/06/2017 5:11:22 AM PST by angelrod
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

My niece decided that she should be a school psychologist. She majored in psychology, went to grad school for 3 years, passed the nationwide exam, and now makes about $80K in her 6th year on the job.

The big thing is the grad school and the exam. The national organization deliberately made the test very difficult, to prevent large numbers of people from passing. Their plan worked, and there is a shortage of certified people so salaries are high.


39 posted on 03/06/2017 5:20:54 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: SeekAndFind

Hmmmm. I don’t see “gender studies” on that list.

Any major with “studies” in the name is likely to be worthless.


40 posted on 03/06/2017 5:24:42 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Hillary: Go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass GO. Do not collect 2 billion dollars.)
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