Posted on 12/31/2016 9:20:24 AM PST by dayglored
Because it’s not complicated enough already, Windows 10’s Start menu will support folders in a forthcoming release.
The Windows 10 Redstone 2 release, also dubbed the “Creators Update”, will allow apps to be nested, much as with Windows Phone 8, and the mobile edition of Windows 10. The update is expected around April, and aggregates work since the Anniversary Update in early August. Around a dozen builds have been released via the Insider Preview program since the official announcement in October.
The folders appear in an unofficial leaked build (14997) and MS Power User blog has a nice GIF of them in action, here.
The leaked build also showcases new tab behaviour in the Edge browser, and a system wide night mode, which reduces the blue light emitted by the display.
It’s a mystery why Microsoft deemed Start screen folders acceptable for mobile users, but not desktop users.
Windows 10’s current Start menu/screen thing is a complex hybrid of the Windows 8 start screen and the Windows XP/7 menu.
Like the sex organs of the duck, it's an inexplicable evolutionary artefact.
A Thing.
“I’ve never understood the mentality of MS Certified IT types”
You should deal with people that utterly refuse to learn simple computer skills, and think it’s cute to play like not knowing how to turn a PC on is still something to say out loud and not be seen as sad as a person not being able to dial a phone number.
These days many place wont hire you if you cant handle. So it’s THEIR livelihoods that depend on it.
Unfortunately just like in wider society, being helpless and a victim in the tech arena is seen by some as social currency. Like being ignorant and making no real effort to learn is some act of defiance. I see it from not learning how to use a copier to not understanding where a USB thumb drive goes, and then saying something like “Pffffft! these things are just sooooo goofy”. Like this is 1981 or something.
IT departments arent depending on low-lever crap for their jobs. They have to tend to it because of legacy staff that think their age gives them permission to not care. No one can read these people the Riot Act to sit down with a book and learn to use these machines, so they have to be babied until they are gone.
Thankfully the ladies in my office (65 years old and older) take to tech like pros. They even mastered a our new touch screen print station and most of the functions!
There’s a lot of industrial software, very costly to replace, that is not supported beyond XP. All the hair-on-fire shrieking and rending of clothing in the world will not surmount the reality of cost-benefit analysis. So long as it works and does what a given industry sector needs, it will continue to be used.
That’s cute.
But nothing I’ve said is made up no matter how many times you call it “childish”.
Believe it or not, your choice, but some valuable workplace skills are not dependent upon fluency in tech. So, you poor little martyr, you’re just going to have to continue to be tortured for pay, bless your heart.
[[ want to remain productive and only want “change” that’s a demonstrated benefit or improvement,]]
Exactly- and that sums it up perfectly and puts the lie to those who love to berate people who don’t like All and every change that comes down the pike- many people find the new flashing changing tiles distracting and cumbersome- and many don’t like the modified ‘old style menu’ that windows 10 offers because it is not as streamlined or productive as the windows 7 customizable menus were- The elitism by the ‘accept all changed and don’t you dare complain or object’ crowd is just tiring- -
It’s as if they have money riding on it or something, isn’t it, lol?
“Believe it or not, your choice, but some valuable workplace skills are not dependent upon fluency in tech.”
And unfortunately for some of you, the reality is many more DO.
Thankfully more of you are retiring by the day. If it wasn’t for 20-somethings and their equally annoying SJW crap, I would be celebrating everyone over 65 going out the door and being replaced with people that dont need webinars in order to learn how to use a network drive and printer or think that Skype has no use.
Well at least Trump understands tech. One less headache.
A computer’s purpose is to increase the productivity of the person using it. If the function can fulfill the need then it is a success. Once an older person learns an OS they most likely have no purpose in upgrading to anything else as their need is being met. Microsoft Windows upgrades are not about productivity increase, they are about making money for Microsoft period. Younger generations look at upgrades as a novelty and cool. My father-in-law is a Tax accountant that upgraded to Windows 10. Nothing but troubles that interfere with his purpose of using the computer to do Tax returns. Upgrades should be designed around increasing productivity not cool fancy interfaces that come and go like the seasons so as to make more money.
You poor thing.
“We still have a Windows 7 desktop, which I love except the processor is a dog. Don’t know if it’s possible to upgrade the processor and keep everything else “as is”. “
your best bet is to buy one of these as a replacement:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA24G3SW1221
You know, I think that one with the foreign alphabet would actually be easier to use than is Win10.
File recovery on Windows 10 also sucks. Windows 7 had a perfectly good system for recovering deleted files. You right-click on the folder in Windows Explorer and select 'Restore previous versions' and off you go.
But now in Windows 10 you have to use something called File History which basically mimics Apple's Time Machine. It has a clunky UI, takes up tons of space, has limited search, and requires a connection to an external backup device or service. It's pretty much useless for daily backups. Microsoft also removed automatic daily System Restore Points for system recovery.
Out of frustration I wrote a software utility to bring back all the file recovery features that I had missed from Windows 7 called U-Recover. The utility is free for personal use. (There is pro version for business use.) It took me a year to write it but was worth it to get all that functionality back.
“Upgrades should be designed around increasing productivity not cool fancy interfaces that come and go like the seasons so as to make more money.”
So this person is using DOS?
Because there have been many upgrades to those “cool fancy interfaces” since 1980. XP and 7 didn’t exist 25 years ago. How did they ever manage? Oddly enough for all the complaining....many manage to adapt, learn some new things, and integrate it into their workflow or get left behind.
Some “old” people need to get that tech doesn’t freeze when they stop caring. Nor is productivity only defined to the point where they just don’t feel like learning anything new.
lemme just expand a bit on the following statement of mine
“Some changes are fine- some changes however, are crappy enough that people would rather not ‘adjust’-”
Would rather not adjust because the change is so annoying, or cuts down on productivity so much that something has to change- photoshop tried making changes that their designers felt the people would like-
those changes made things worse, not better- The changes weren’t anything huge in and of themselves, but added all together, the changes slowed things down- and just were not convenient enough to keep the workflow when processing photos and art flowing smoothly like folks were accustomed to- add enough small changes, and they add up- add in extra menus to click, and it all adds up to slowing the process down many people complained in the forums- so many people petitioned to change things back the way they were-
and then the designers entered the fray- berating anyone who didn’t like the changes as being ‘old and unwilling to change’ or ‘too lazy to change’ essentially, but in the end, they realized that They were the ones who were wrong- not the users- and they gave back the features that people not only were accustomed to, but which made processing more efficient and quicker- all change is not necessarily good- (Of course then adobe went to the cloud- many folks hated that move as well- many didn’t switch to the cloud- and kept the old versions- but the cloud presented changes above and beyond design changes-)
Bottom line is that when changes suck- they suck- and the designers can either dig in their heels and refuse to listen to their users/supporters and lose their users- or they can work to find adequate changes and keep their users happy and productive-
Well, you certainly are enough of an arrogant jerk to qualify to post on most Linux help forums. What are you doing wasting your time discussing M$?
Yep, which is why people need to learn a little bit about Virtualization. For the "bold", DosBox also runs older WindowsXP programs in Windows7/8/10 pretty well. As always, YMMV.
“You poor thing.”
If ever there was a motto for the tech illiterate, it’s that.
I will say that Windows 8 was a POS but 10 turned out to be surprisingly good and easy to use. Being such for an old fart like me made me question why folks were having problems. IMHO, 10 is easier, better than previous versions. Disclaimer: I have no affiliation with MS or any other sofware company or organization.
It also applies to autistic tech martyrs trying and failing to get a pity party started for themselves.
those file recovery and folder menu issue are perfect examples of what I’m talking about when i and many others state that all change is not necessarily good or reasonable or productive-
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