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By the way, Berlin Halt Zusammen means "Berlin Holds Together."
1 posted on 12/22/2016 12:02:42 PM PST by Steely Tom
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To: Steely Tom

Soon they'll be singing a different tune.
2 posted on 12/22/2016 12:04:45 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: Steely Tom

Heh.

I first read that as “Berlin Halt Zimmerman” and I was like.. huh? what’d he do this time?”


3 posted on 12/22/2016 12:05:17 PM PST by Grimmy (equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)
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To: Steely Tom

Berliners knew what JFK was saying. It’s an urban legend that they thought he was talking about a jelly doughnut or whatever pastry.


4 posted on 12/22/2016 12:05:25 PM PST by LouieFisk
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To: Steely Tom

In free translation: “Berlin is united”.


5 posted on 12/22/2016 12:05:27 PM PST by 353FMG (AMERICA IS ALL THAT TRULY MATTERS)
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To: Steely Tom

Wonder if it’ll all come down to another Berlin Airlift!


6 posted on 12/22/2016 12:06:10 PM PST by Mollypitcher1 (I have not yet begun to fight....John Paul Jones)
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To: Steely Tom
Ich Bin Ein Berliner

President Carter tried to copy Kennedy but he said it from Hamburg.

9 posted on 12/22/2016 12:09:12 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Everywhere is freaks and hairies Dykes and fairies Tell me where is sanity?)
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To: Steely Tom

A Berliner is a type of jelly doughnut. Kennedy’s use of the indefinite article “ein” changed the meaning from the intended “I am a resident of Berlin” to “I am a Berliner,” which is in fact a type of jelly doughnut, all the recent attempts to discredit this and rehabilitate the speech notwithstanding.


17 posted on 12/22/2016 12:14:49 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Steely Tom

Big moments are immune to bad grammar. Just as Neil Armstrong.


18 posted on 12/22/2016 12:15:31 PM PST by discostu (Alright you primative screwheads, listen up!)
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To: Steely Tom

Berliners
19 posted on 12/22/2016 12:15:36 PM PST by Spruce
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The Heimatdamisch: Highway to Hell
21 posted on 12/22/2016 12:16:32 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a Simple Manner for a Happy Life ~ Vote!)
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To: Steely Tom; LouieFisk

“Afterward it would be suggested that Kennedy had got the translation wrong—that by using the article ein before the word Berliner, he had mistakenly called himself a jelly doughnut. In fact, Kennedy was correct. To state ‘Ich bin Berliner’ would have suggested being born in Berlin, whereas adding the word ‘ein’ implied being a Berliner in spirit. His audience understood that he meant to show his solidarity.”

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/08/the-real-meaning-of-ich-bin-ein-berliner/309500/


22 posted on 12/22/2016 12:17:18 PM PST by Pelham (the refusal to Deport is defacto Amnesty)
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To: Steely Tom

NYT on the subject, from 1988...

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/30/opinion/i-am-a-jelly-filled-doughnut.html


43 posted on 12/22/2016 12:35:39 PM PST by mewzilla (I'll vote for the first guy who promises to mail in his SOTU addresses.)
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Ich Bin Ein Civilized Christian
49 posted on 12/22/2016 12:42:29 PM PST by Gay State Conservative (Deplorables' Lives Matter)
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To: Steely Tom
Ich bin Krispy Kreme.


59 posted on 12/22/2016 12:50:14 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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Hogaaaan! grammar nazi photo: grammar nazi grammar.jpg
74 posted on 12/22/2016 1:26:49 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers, all armed conservatives)
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To: Steely Tom

I think the difference between

Ich bin Berliner

and

Ich bin ein Berliner

is roughly the same as the difference between

I’m German.

and

I’m a German.

The former sounds more idiomatically correct, but the meaning of either is clear. Like “American”, Berliner can be either an adjective or a noun. As a noun it can mean either an inhabitant of Berlin, or a kind of pastry. The meaning should be clear from the context.


83 posted on 12/22/2016 2:12:12 PM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Psephomancers for Hillary!)
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To: Steely Tom
We have the same distinction in English. "I am a Danish" vs "I am Danish."

But the distinction isn't absolute in German. The national anthem of Prussia from 1830 to 1840 -- the Preussenlied = Song of Prussia -- begins "Ich bin ein Preuße." = "I am a Prussian."

88 posted on 12/22/2016 2:31:54 PM PST by omega4412
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ich bin ein DEPLORABLE!!!
98 posted on 12/22/2016 4:14:11 PM PST by Chode (You Owe Them Nothing - Not Respect, Not Loyalty, Not Obedience, NOTHING! ich bin ein Deplorable...)
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