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Nazi Germany's Battleship Bismarck vs. America's Iowa Class: Who Wins?
National Interest ^ | July 28, 2016 | Kyle Mizokami

Posted on 07/29/2016 7:43:59 AM PDT by C19fan

Despite the vast scope of the Second World War, the navies of the United States and Nazi Germany fought few, if any, direct surface engagements. By the time of America’s entry into the war the Royal Navy had already sunk or neutralized the lion’s share of Hitler’s Kriegsmarine, with only Hitler’s U-boats remaining a substantial German threat.

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: battleships
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To: C19fan
The Iowas were an more up to date design, being bigger, faster, more turret and deck armor, with heavier guns and RADAR.

Ask Kirishima how important that was ...

21 posted on 07/29/2016 8:03:30 AM PDT by NorthMountain (Hillary Clinton: corrupt unreliable negligent traitor)
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To: Mouton
The Iowa had FAR superior armor.

More powerful guns

Nine 16" guns vs eight 15"

Heavier shells. 2700 lbs vs 1800 lbs

More speed. 33knts vs 30 knts.

Basically, in every category the Iowa out classed the Bismarck.

A better head to head would have been Iowa vs Yamato

22 posted on 07/29/2016 8:04:47 AM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life, Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: C19fan
Last time I checked, the Iowa was still afloat. The Bismarck -- not so much so...
23 posted on 07/29/2016 8:06:10 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias; "Barack": Allah's current ally...)
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To: Broker
Yamato vs NJ?

Iowa is 6 knots faster and has Star Wars quality electronics compared to Yamato.

It's much more likely to land it's shots than Yamato.

When Yamato shot up the 'Gambier Bay' at Samar, Gambier Bay's machinery had been badly damaged and it could hardly move yet Yamato had to close to point blank range.

24 posted on 07/29/2016 8:06:21 AM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: C19fan

No comparison. Hitler ordered the construction of the H class ships which would have been real contenders but they were never finished.


25 posted on 07/29/2016 8:06:24 AM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: C19fan

One problem with his scenario, he has the Iowa class battleships fighting it out with the Bismark (assuming it wasn’t sunk) in 1942. The Iowa class ships did not come on line until 1943 and 1944.


26 posted on 07/29/2016 8:06:44 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: C19fan

Bismark was sunk by the RN four years before there was a USS Missouri. No contest actually.


27 posted on 07/29/2016 8:07:09 AM PDT by pabianice (LINE)
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To: Mouton
I think the Iowa class also had radar something the Bismark did not have.

Fire control radar was decisive in battleship engagements between the U.S. and Japanese navies in World War II. It gave very accurate range to target, and splash detection gave rapid and accurate range and azimuth corrections, besides which U.S. ships, even destroyers, had analog computer fire control systems.

The armament was close to a tie.

The Iowa Class had 9 x 16 inch naval rifles had a 24 mile range, with a rate of fire of 2.0 rpm.

The Bismarck had 8 x 38 cm (15) naval rifles with a 22.7 mile range and 2.5 rpm rate of fire.

28 posted on 07/29/2016 8:08:17 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (I'm not a smug know-it-all; I just want you to experience epistemological closure.)
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To: C19fan
Also, their [the Iowa, Class'] guns probably had considerably longer range and their fire control radar was more accurate. It would have been no contest.
29 posted on 07/29/2016 8:08:57 AM PDT by sport
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30 posted on 07/29/2016 8:12:18 AM PDT by Allen In Texas Hill Country
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To: DarthVader

The biggest and most powerful battleships of all time.


The Japanese had a bigger and more powerful class of battleships.


31 posted on 07/29/2016 8:12:19 AM PDT by laplata ( Speaking The Truth Is Now Considered 'Hate Speech')
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To: C19fan

Bismarck was a tough ship with good guns but she was essentially, IIRC, an enlarged Bayern-class dreadnought of WW1. Germany missed out on a lot of practical battleship development after WW1 which may have greatly benefitted mad scheming but left some things, like awareness of the need for better rudder protection (the thing that actually brought her down).

Imagine if the resources to build and man the largely unsuccessful surface raiders, if you discount the disguised freighters, had gone into more Uboats?

Ironically, half of the Bayern’s four planned ships were not completed so that more Uboats could be built.


32 posted on 07/29/2016 8:12:28 AM PDT by Rurudyne (Standup Philosopher)
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To: PAR35

Bismark had surface search RADAR only. Iowa class had fire control RADAR as well.


33 posted on 07/29/2016 8:12:31 AM PDT by NorthMountain (Hillary Clinton: corrupt unreliable negligent traitor)
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To: Henchster

Their real effective range was restricted to the range of their radar. The Iowa had superior radar that allowed them to see farther than the Bismark and also gave them feedback as to where their rounds were landing.


34 posted on 07/29/2016 8:13:33 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is always just one or a thousand or a million more murders away from utopia.)
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To: C19fan

I saw a Hollywood Documentary from a couple years ago, featuring the singer Rhianna, about how the Battleship Iowa destroyed a whole bunch of alien space-ships off the coast of Hawaii.

So certainly, the Iowa would have no trouble with the Bismarck.


35 posted on 07/29/2016 8:14:14 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: PAR35

Bismark’s Fire Control was so far ahead of it’s time that Bi-Planes were able to sink it because the Bismark’s guns overshot at them.


36 posted on 07/29/2016 8:14:18 AM PDT by MGG
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To: C19fan

Iowa, better design, better sailors, bigger guns, better fire control.


37 posted on 07/29/2016 8:18:52 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are man's best friend, and moslems hate dogs. Add that up....)
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To: DarthVader

“The biggest and most powerful battleships of all time”

The Yamatos still had bigger guns.


38 posted on 07/29/2016 8:19:27 AM PDT by TalonDJ
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To: PAR35

How would the Graf Spee fared in a battle?


39 posted on 07/29/2016 8:19:36 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Cruz: The best political speech in a generation and we will only remember what he didn't say.)
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To: C19fan

Iowa class.


40 posted on 07/29/2016 8:20:30 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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