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Does the Tour de France Need a Financial Fix?
WSJ ^ | 24 June 2016 | JASON GAY

Posted on 07/26/2016 7:10:21 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT

The divide between cycling’s haves and have-nots has led some to worry that this disparity will drain the excitement out of the Tour... Still, Froome acknowledged something significant the other day. He admitted that if he rode not for the well-funded Sky, which can afford to surround him with well-paid lieutenants, but for a smaller, lower-budgeted outfit, he probably would not be in the running for the yellow jersey. “If I was riding for a small team, it would be different,” Froome said.... Does pro cycling need a budget or a salary cap, such as the NFL, NBA or even Formula 1 have done? It’s definitely a topic of conversation.

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Went to school with a guy ,who became a professional golfer. Seeing him a few years later, I ask about the MEGABUCKS?

He laughed and explained the economics of Pro golf.

As long as you can make the cut, you earn enough to pay for the hotel.

1 posted on 07/26/2016 7:10:22 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT
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To: DUMBGRUNT

You would still have a ‘Patron’, still need to speak French, still have cliques...

Might be fun to watch?


2 posted on 07/26/2016 7:13:53 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I have never understood why hitting a little ball can command so much money and a near cult like following.


3 posted on 07/26/2016 7:17:28 AM PDT by wally_bert (I didn't get where I am today by selling ice cream tasting of bookends, pumice stone & West Germany)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

I know a woman who spent years on the LPGA tour and wound up with around $2 million career earnings. Not much left after expenses, but she did make a very comfortable retirement from endorsements and promo tours in places like Japan.


4 posted on 07/26/2016 7:18:04 AM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: jjotto

My school chum said ‘fun while it lasts’, in Bermuda in the winter or...

He also noted that, when cut a modest position can be found inside ‘big golf’, to make ends meet until the next round.


5 posted on 07/26/2016 7:32:15 AM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (Looks like it's pretty hairy.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT; nutmeg; whattajoke; Aeronaut; jern; concentric circles; Petronski; Voss; glorgau; ...

Bike Ping

There is a lot to be said for this theory. Of course a better funded team is going to hire better riders. But, personality stars like Peter Sagan will always shine on their own.

The idea of salary capping might make reasonable debate, but I suspect the UCI is run much the same as the IOC and it would take some influential people like Merckx, LeMond and maybe Phil Liggett to move the conversation to a public discourse.

6 posted on 07/26/2016 7:46:36 AM PDT by Baynative (Freedom; the dream of every human, the birth right of every American.)
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To: wally_bert

There are two paths to making money in this world:
make somebody else money
be hard to replace

There aren’t that many people that can hit those balls that well, so there’s number 2, and those people who can are cornerstones in a billion dollar entertainment industry, so there’s number 1.


7 posted on 07/26/2016 7:50:51 AM PDT by discostu (Joan Crawford has risen from the grave)
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To: discostu
You forgot the 3rd way ... work for yourself.

With your two methods, there are no guarantees to making money for yourself, and I am proof of that. Many times in my life I have made millions for my employers, to the point where they did not need any other salesmen for the next couple of years (the backlog of business was that great), only to be laid off shortly thereafter so that they would not have to pay me my commissions. After the last time that happened, I vowed never again ... and now I am working on building my own fortune.
8 posted on 07/26/2016 8:12:55 AM PDT by RainMan (Come to the dark side ... we have cookies)
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To: Baynative

The biggest thing that might happen to trigger a financial cap is the fact that the local French Teams and Riders are not doing very well. Bernard Hinault has given up and is fully retiring this year back to his farm in Normandy. He was the last French winner back in 1985 (5th win) with a little controversy about teammate Greg LeMond being held back to ‘allow’ Hinault’s win.

This year, 2016, French riders won only a single stage (19) even though that rider ended up as #2 for the Yellow Jersey, Romain Bardet. This is with 5 France-based teams and 37 French riders (both being the most of any nation.)

So, my guess is that the ASO, the race organizers, being French themselves, might look at a financial cap just in the hopes that their home guys might have a better chance after 31 years. How that will work out with the UCI, as the international professional bike racing controllers, is likely beyond my pay grade!

My $0.02 worth!


9 posted on 07/26/2016 8:16:28 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: RainMan

No. Even people who work for themselves need to be good enough at the job to have people use them not somebody else, ie hard to replace. And a lot of folks who work for themselves their services make other people money, people on the PGA tour are self employed, and the tour makes a lot more money on their efforts than they do.


10 posted on 07/26/2016 8:20:50 AM PDT by discostu (Joan Crawford has risen from the grave)
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To: discostu

I’m still amazed at baseball players who can have a 100 MPH fastball come straight at them without bailing out, much less being able to actually hit the darned thing.

I go to a batting cage and to me a 60 MPH pitch is past me before I even see it.


11 posted on 07/26/2016 8:24:25 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Think about hockey centers who do the same thing to get tip in goals only on ice and usually somebody is hitting them.


12 posted on 07/26/2016 8:29:12 AM PDT by discostu (Joan Crawford has risen from the grave)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

The USA Pro Challenge was actually canceled this year, due to sponsorship issues. Kinda surprising, because it brought a lot of money into the state.


13 posted on 07/26/2016 8:31:38 AM PDT by real saxophonist ( YouTube + Twitter + Facebook = YouTwitFace.com)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

From a business sense - which the Tour has become - there is a very poor ROI on being a team sponsor. Racing has taken the role of “domestique” to the business.

This year, I saw many reports on the cost of team busses, bikes and even wheels. It is very grand! The level of staff to support the riders has ballooned too. All to gain a few seconds over the next best rider. Marginal Returns are not equalling Marginal Costs, IMHO.

This will sort itself out. Either a very different Tour evolves (ala NFL, for example) or it will financially eat itself from within.


14 posted on 07/26/2016 9:22:35 AM PDT by llevrok (Lies are born the moment someone thinks the truth is dangerous.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

Pro cyclists mostly earn peanuts compared to most pro athletes. Fifteen or twenty stars earn pretty good money (like a journeyman baseball player), but I think mostpros earn under $100K per year. They go home, open a bicycle shop or a cafe, and lead a normal life in a normal house, not a gated mansion.


15 posted on 07/26/2016 9:36:39 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: discostu

There aren’t many people who can ride a bicycle for five hours at an average speed of 30 mph and climb 12,000 feet in that same span.


16 posted on 07/26/2016 9:38:50 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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There aren’t many people who can ride a bicycle for five hours at an average speed of 30 mph and climb 12,000 feet in that same span.

But, but, but, the hated Spandex!

17 posted on 07/26/2016 11:05:34 AM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: discostu

Hmm, so I buy properties at foreclosure, repair them, and sell them. I may hire some vendors, but the vendors cannot hire or fire me. When I buy the property, that is a raw material, and in most cases, the bank is not making money off me ... they are at foreclosure for a reason. There may be a couple of charges for processing the transaction, but they are trivial for the most part. When flipping the property, I determine what I am going to do, where I will buy my materials, who I will use as contractors, if any, and negotiate the prices. When I sell the property, I may pay a real estate commission, but again, I can hire and fire my agent, chose the escrow company, etc. Nobody is profiting more off my deal than I am, and they only profit off of my deal if I allow them to. Nobody has the ability to “replace” me. Period. However, I can replace them. Once I buy the property, it is mine to do with as I see fit. I am not beholden to making money for anyone other than myself.


18 posted on 07/26/2016 12:06:25 PM PDT by RainMan (The Liberals think our message is dark, I say to them come to the dark side ... we have cookies)
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To: RainMan

If you don’t do a good job repairing them you ain’t gonna sell them, so yes people can “replace” you by buying from somebody else. And remember who’s REALLY making the money when houses get bought: the BANK.

Somebody else ALWAYS profits from your labor. It’s the nature of life. Even if you’re the boss. Anthony Bourdain was talking about a conversation he had with Emeril asking why he kept growing the brand, at what point was it big enough, when had he made enough money. Emeril’s answer was “do you know how many people lose their jobs if I don’t keep this thing growing”. Since nobody exists in a vacuum it is not possible for you to be the only one profiting from your labors.


19 posted on 07/26/2016 12:27:48 PM PDT by discostu (Joan Crawford has risen from the grave)
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To: discostu
Your logic is absurd at best. By your own definition, no business can make money because it is dependent on customers, ergo, only the Fed can make money by running a printing press. Money is simply a standard for trade. Yes, you always have to have trade partners, and you make money on the transactions. The point I thought you were making was not how to transact business, but rather how do you as an individual make money (and I assumed you meant real money, not just a paycheck)


I think I can actually give you a better point-of-view to your original post. Rather than say "make somebody else money", or "be hard to replace", change it to 1 simple statement: Be willing to take risks.

The more risk you take, whether it be starting your own business, or working on commission, the more potential money you will make. When you take a risk however, there is also the chance you will crash and burn. If you want safety and security, work for someone else and accept whatever they pay you, but if you want more ... take a risk.

To everyone else here, I apologize for the rabbit hole this conversation went down ...
20 posted on 07/26/2016 2:23:35 PM PDT by RainMan (The Liberals think our message is dark, I say to them come to the dark side ... we have cookies)
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