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To: Heartlander

Is it possible to believe in both creationism AND evolution?

Could not God have/is using evolution as his tool to create life and ultimately us?

Is evolution as a tool not a better solution than finger-snapping and saying “Poof”?

God gives us a tool—our brains—to figure things out. We have lots of evidence he left for us.

But NONE of that evidence means He didn’t do it or does not exists.


3 posted on 04/07/2016 12:08:37 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

>>Is it possible to believe in both creationism AND evolution?

Could not God have/is using evolution as his tool to create life and ultimately us?

Is evolution as a tool not a better solution than finger-snapping and saying “Poof”?

God gives us a tool—our brains—to figure things out. We have lots of evidence he left for us.

But NONE of that evidence means He didn’t do it or does not exists.<<

You are, of course, correct in all your statements, particularly the last.

But don’t pursue it further here at FR — trust me.


5 posted on 04/07/2016 12:10:57 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Don't mistake my silence for ignorance, my calmness for acceptance, or my kindness for weakness)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Something or some model has to show or give reasons for dinosaurs.


6 posted on 04/07/2016 12:14:17 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("Nobody Said I Was Perfect But Yet Here I Am")
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To: Alas Babylon!
Is it possible to believe in both creationism AND evolution?

That would depend how both creationism and evolution is defined. For example, you could not be a YEC and believe in common descent (I am not a YEC). A theistic evolutionist would not have an issue...

7 posted on 04/07/2016 12:15:31 PM PDT by Heartlander (Prediction: Increasingly, logic will be seen as a covert form of theism. - Denyse O'Leary)
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To: Alas Babylon!

In the beginning, the Eternal Word thought, then by the Will of His spoken Word created ex nihilo the space/time dimension and all living creatures. Man He created last, in His own spiritual image. Then man, so gifted, thought, and by the will of his spoken word fell into sin. The point being that evolution is not the Word of God but of man.


8 posted on 04/07/2016 12:16:50 PM PDT by spirited irish
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To: Alas Babylon!

My high school biology teacher taught us about evolution. It was in a Catholic HS and this particular teacher was a Marist Brother with a strong belief in God and of Jesus as Savior. My church separates science from religion. Faith need not have anything to do with science and vice versa.


9 posted on 04/07/2016 12:18:22 PM PDT by Vaquero ( Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Alas Babylon!
Is it possible to believe in both creationism AND evolution?

Unfortunately, that equation does not balance. Suffice to say the book of Romans does not make provision for popular denials. The science in not nearly so firm as you have been indoctrinated into believing, but to question it it to make yourself Trump in a room full of apparatchiks.

Furthermore, "poof" as an alternative is as vapid as the notion of spending eternity sitting on clouds playing a harp.

11 posted on 04/07/2016 12:20:37 PM PDT by papertyger (-/\/\/\-)
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To: Alas Babylon!

“We have lots of evidence he left for us.”

Do we? Yes, humans and apes are genetically similar...but to date, archeologists have dug up ape remains and they’ve dug up human remains...but never the remains of a being that was ‘in between’.

There has to be a central flaw in the theory of evolution. If evolutionary changes are brought about by random mutations that prove to be beneficial, over thousands of years, wouldn’t the fossil record be transitional? We should be finding half hoofed, half thumbed, etc skeletal remains all over the place. But we don’t.

I’m no theologian...but just logic alone makes the theory of evolution very improbably.


12 posted on 04/07/2016 12:23:52 PM PDT by lacrew
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To: Alas Babylon!

Your post is an “Alas Babylon” all right. Ancient Babylon with its tower of Babel, the mother of paganism, the original one-worlders.

Being an evolutionist, I presume you also an Darwinist. If so, are you aware that Darwin did not invent the evolution idea? Pagans came up with the idea long before Darwin. Its a pagan theory. Believed by the Hindus, the Greek “mystery” religions, Greek philosophers, and occultic secret societies. Darwin plagarized the idea, he got it from pagan thought that preceded him.

Alas “Mystery” Babylon...the mother whore of the earth, Rev. 17:7.


19 posted on 04/07/2016 12:42:59 PM PDT by sasportas
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To: Alas Babylon!; Heartlander

re: “Is it possible to believe in both creationism AND evolution?”

As Heartlander pointed out, definitions are crucial in answering your excellent question.

You must understand that there are two schools of thought on Biblical “creationism” - there is the “young” earth creationists that the earth and universe are only 6000 to 10,000 years old, and that the six days are literal 24 hour periods.

There is another Biblical school of thought where “creationism” means that God brought the universe into existence, brought life into existence - all out of nothing - that the general detail given in Genesis 1 that God specially created all living organisms and the entirety of the universe by His power over long periods of time - not, necessarily 6 literal 24 hour days, but rather “ages” of time.

This “old universe/earth” creationism does not hold to evolution in the sense of “macro-evolution” (the view that organisms evolved from single cell to mollusk, from mollusk to fish, from fish to amphibian, from amphibian to some type of land creature - or more simply, the view that simple organisms evolved into more complex ones). This view does allow for evolution “within a given specie” (i.e. the wide variety of the canine specie, feline, etc.) This group does not believe that the fossil evidence demonstrates macro-evolution, rather only micro-evolution within species.

I think this “old universe” creationist group believes that the universe and the earth could have existed long before man - specifically Adam was specially created by God - that there could have been other living organisms/animals before Adam (not human organisms though).

I’m NOT an expert by any means of either group, although I do hold to the old universe/earth and do not believe in theistic evolution.

As to “naturalistic/Darwinian evolution” - that theory really does not allow for God - in fact, He’s unnecessary. According to the theory, all that is came from nothing, simple evolves into complex, that mutations and successful variations of species account for all living organisms.

If you hold to the Biblical view that God specially created the universe and all living organisms - there really is not much common ground between naturalistic/Darwinian evolution and “theistic evolution” - at least that’s the way it looks to me.


30 posted on 04/07/2016 1:17:50 PM PDT by rusty schucklefurd
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