".....But we don't want the Irish!"
Ping
Over several years, Cromwell winded up puttin 2/3s of the Irish population into slavery and shipping them to the new world.
I’m sure it will be ignored by blm.
Was in my history books, but then that was 60 years ago ... where are my reparations?
King James VI ???
Does the author mean King James VI of Scotland who was also King James I of England ??? The son of Mary, Queen of Scots ???
There was no King James VI of England...
I want my reparations.
Just curious, since you have never heard of this...this must have never been taught to you in school...so I was wondering if I could pry and ask your approximate age. The subject was at least glossed over in school, in the 1980’s...so I’m just wondering if its been erased from the text books.
The whole reparations thing is bizarre pandering. Most folks except for blacks recognize the sacrifices their ancestors made or were forced to make for them, and moved on with hard work, education, and leading decent lives to achieve better lives.
Some "scholar" that guy was.(/sarc)
There was also a particularly evil group of entrepreneurs in England at the time known as "crimps" who specialized in stealing children and exporting them to the colonies as servants.
My ancestor was sold into slavery to work fields in the West Indies. Escaped and made it to VA in 1657.
White slaves don’t count. Whites are officially excluded from membership in America’s biggest government-certified victim group.
There are a number of books on white slavery. Read more on the subject and you’ll find out that white slavery was much more brutal than black slavery because there wasn’t an initial investment in the white slave so they were just worked to death and then thrown to the vultures. The average Irish slave lasted about a year on the Caribbean Island sugar plantations.
Yep, Cromwell was a piece of work, and so were the English invaders and overlords he set upon Ireland. Bad enough to wipe out a third of the Irish population in a generation.
Mass murder on that scale doesn’t require gas chambers, just drive people out of their homes and off their land for a few winters.
It would be no different today, and it could happen during a grid collapse. In fact, the Irish then were probably hardier, and grew most of their food within a walk of their homes. How about today? How much food grows in your zip code? Area code? If desperate people were fighting over every morsel?
The Cromwell invasion of Ireland and its consequences upon the population should be studied for modern parallels. Instead of English soldiers driving the Irish from their homes to die of starvation, exposure and disease, a grid collapse could cause a similar mass diaspora from the starving and dehydrating cities.
The Thirty Years War happening around the same time on the continent resulted in a similar die-off for similar reasons. Just disrupt the agricultural production over a wide area for a few years, and you have a mass die-off.
Today, nearly all of our food production relies upon an elaborate infrastructure to deliver fuel and chemicals and seeds to farms. Trucks carry the food to a series of plants and finally to our stores. If the grid collapses for even weeks, a modern society can go right off the rails.
Slavery has been an institution in human history for as long as there's been history. The African trade pales (sorry for the pun) in comparison to the numbers of European captives taken by the other Europeans and Muslims over the last two thousand years. No race has a monopoly on ancestral oppression, but only one turns that into votes for the political party that kept their ancestors in chains in the first place.
Johnson worked off his indenture by 1635 and became a freeman. He homesteaded a farm and acquired indentured servants of his own to work it. An industrious sort, Johnson expanded his farm holdings to 250 acres by 1651 and his indentured work force. Then, Anthony Johnson the gentleman farmer, decided he did not want to free one of his indentured servants who's worked off his indenture and wanted to work for a neighbor's farm. Johnson sued in court to have John Casor returned to him and bound over to him in perpetuity. Johnson became the first true slave holder in all of the American colonies and instituted true slavery into the American experience.
In the end, Johnson's greed came back to bite him. The Virginia colonial legislature decided that blacks could no longer work off their indentures and gain their freedom; they were permanently bound to their masters. Moreover, these slaves could not own nor pass on (or will) property. In Johnson's case, his estate's property was seized when he died and his children became slaves.
This is the real story that is overlooked when people are taught about slavery in America: Anthony Johnson, a black man from Africa, bought is freedom and then turned around to bind another black man to him as his slave — and won his case in court. This victory established black slavery in America. But, in the end, Johnson and his family lost everything when they were stripped of their freedom and property by the colonial legislature when slavery was officially established in the colonies.
God invented whiskey so that the Irish wouldn’t rule the world.
So, is this going to lead to a ‘repatriations for the Irish’ movement?
Dig into any group, far enough, and you’ll find sins enough to sink them.
".....But we don't want the Irish!"
The Romans made slaves of the Gauls and other Caucasians from Europe. Ancient Egypt was based on slavery. Countless people today are descended from slaves but of course that isn’t taught in school today because too many, if not all, of those people would be white.
I actually saw a commentator in the local paper this week say that it hadn’t been that long since she would have had to use a separate water fountain and if the Republicans had had their way she still would have to use a separate water fountain. That’s what the schools have been teaching our children for the last two generations.