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Someone's lying!
3/1/2016 | djf

Posted on 03/01/2016 11:12:37 AM PST by djf

Now I keep hearing these polls that say that Trump is way, way ahead of both Rubio and Cruz. And then out of the other side of their lips they say that Trump would lose to Hillary, while Cruz and Rubio would be successful!

So my only conclusion can be that SOMEBODY is lying!!

Thoughts? Comments?


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To: djf
There is always another axim to remember:

Figures never lie by liars always figure.

21 posted on 03/01/2016 11:18:17 AM PST by garyb
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To: djf

Not quite.

The winner of a primary within a party does NOT necessarily mean they would be the most likely to win in a contest between different parties

There have been head-to-head polls already done of Hillary vs Trump, etc, etc, etc. Those would be better indicators of who will win overall


22 posted on 03/01/2016 11:18:27 AM PST by varyouga
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To: djf

As I read it, head-to-head polls within the GOP measure only Republicans (different formulae applied WRT registered and likely voters by different pollsters), whereas head-to-head national polls are based upon different formulae of not only registered and likely voters, but also percentage of Democrats vs. Republicans. I think the one ingredient that’s missing in the national polls is a consideration for the number of Democrats who might “defect” to vote for Trump. Witness the recent reports on the number of Democrats in Massachusetts (last count 18,000 plus) who have switched to the GOP to presumably vote for Trump in the primary.


23 posted on 03/01/2016 11:19:43 AM PST by ManHunter (You can run, but you'll only die tired... Army snipers: Reach out and touch someone)
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To: goodwithagun

LOL!

I see what you did there.


24 posted on 03/01/2016 11:19:47 AM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: garyb

I know. I was just quoting the old ladies on the Geico commercial who don’t know how to use social media.


25 posted on 03/01/2016 11:19:47 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: ozarkgirl

; )


26 posted on 03/01/2016 11:20:27 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: djf

I think it is a false flag planted by the GOPe and Rats. All of the polling has indicated that Rat turnout in the primaries is way down while GOP turnout is way up. If that trend continues to the general election, Trump will win in a blowout.


27 posted on 03/01/2016 11:21:05 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Liberals are the Taliban of America, trying to tear down any symbol that they don't like.)
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To: djf
Well, from what else I hear, Trump will draw more Democrats over to the conservative side than either Rubio or Cruz, who are supposed to be more run of the mill.

Where did you hear that? Because it isn't supported by the polls.

28 posted on 03/01/2016 11:21:06 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Sign up for my new release e-mail and get my first novel for free)
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To: VitacoreVision

I believe Trump will get far more crossover votes than either Rubio or Cruz. He’ll get lots of independents and apparently some dem’s are switching over.

Yep, they’re lying.


29 posted on 03/01/2016 11:21:09 AM PST by ozarkgirl
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To: ozarkgirl

Trump would get many Dem blue collar votes, too.


30 posted on 03/01/2016 11:22:08 AM PST by laplata ( Liberals/Progressives have diseased minds.)
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To: ozarkgirl

You may believe that, but the polls don’t support that. And so far, the polls have been very accurate.


31 posted on 03/01/2016 11:22:42 AM PST by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Sign up for my new release e-mail and get my first novel for free)
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To: djf
Trump is being supported by cross-over democrats during the primary. In the general, those voters will cross-back over to Hillary.

Trump loses the cross over votes, a YUGE part of the conservative base, and the election.

32 posted on 03/01/2016 11:25:28 AM PST by KittenClaws ( Normalcy Bias. Do you have it?)
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To: djf

I’ve heard of many democrats and undecideds that say they would vote for Trump. Not one that would say they would vote for Cruz or Rubio. Makes you wonder doesn’t it.


33 posted on 03/01/2016 11:25:37 AM PST by McGruff (It's clear Trump Derangement Syndrome has no limits.)
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34 posted on 03/01/2016 11:25:47 AM PST by Hatteras
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To: Donglalinger

And the fact that Trump just say’s what people want to hear with a record that shows that.

Trumps going to do what he wants once elected. Including really bad deals for our conservatism.


35 posted on 03/01/2016 11:26:43 AM PST by the_boy_who_got_lost
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To: Billthedrill
Well, to get to the truth of the lie, we need to hear from the inveterate George Costanza...


36 posted on 03/01/2016 11:26:53 AM PST by PROCON
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To: garyb

You’re exactly right...plus one other little factor; republicans are turning out in record numbers in all of the primaries so far while democrat turnout has dwindled.


37 posted on 03/01/2016 11:27:47 AM PST by sanjuanbob (Skeptic)
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To: Anitius Severinus Boethius
Trump’s negatives hurt him more than Clinton’s negatives hurt her.

Yep. Which to me is mindboggling. Trump has a lot of flaws, to my mind, but Clinton has all those flaws AND MORE, plus she lacks a lot of Trump's positives, so why not go for the lesser of two evils? Sadly, I think a lot of it boils down to the fact that a large percentage of this country hates rich and "successful" people, and they see Trump as the richer one. It's like when some conservative guy (Crowder?) went to college campuses with six pictures of mansions, and asked people to assign them to various politicians running last time.

All of the mansions belonged to the Clintons, which even the conservative voters were shocked to discover, but which some of the liberals had a very hard time processing. It doesn't take the least effort to figure out that the Clintons are insanely rich, but for whatever reason they've got the rich-haters buffaloed.

38 posted on 03/01/2016 11:27:51 AM PST by Amity
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To: djf

A Reagan Democrat is a traditionally Democratic voter in the United States, especially a white working-class Northerner, who defected from their party to support Republican President Ronald Reagan in either or both the 1980 and 1984 elections.

It’s like 1979 all over again. Instead of Carter, it’s Obama.


39 posted on 03/01/2016 11:28:02 AM PST by McGruff (It's clear Trump Derangement Syndrome has no limits.)
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To: djf

Poll results depend on who is asking the questions, how the questions are worded (exactly), who is evaluating the results, and most importantly, who is answering the questions and who is not answering the questions. In addition it matters whether the person polled is likely to vote. (Remember—only about half of adults will actually vote on election day and they may lie about it.)

I rate the reliability of polls months before an election as about as reliable as candidate’s campaign promises—only a fool believes either.


40 posted on 03/01/2016 11:28:25 AM PST by cgbg (Epistemology is not a spectator sport.)
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