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Texas governor Abbott once chased Trump University from Lone Star State
AMI Newswire ^ | February 25, 2016 | Eddie Curran

Posted on 02/26/2016 7:43:57 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

Real estate might not be Donald Trump's strong suit in the Texas primary: Six years ago, the state's Republican attorney general forced his Trump University to pack up and leave.

Trump's embattled property seminar program made an embarrassing retreat when then-Attorney General Greg Abbott, now the state's governor, began investigating it for possible "deceptive trade practices."

That's a challenge as Trump now hopes to win the Lone Star State's Super Tuesday Republican primary.

State polls show Trump and Texas' junior U.S. senator, Ted Cruz, battling for an edge in the March 1 vote. Real Clear Politics' average of polls shows Cruz with 34 percent of the vote to Trump's 27 percent. Abbott this week endorsed Cruz.

Conservative writer Paul Nagy recently went so far as to suggest that Trump - who donated $35,000 to Abbott's 2014 gubernatorial campaign - choose Abbott as his running mate.

"Trump-Abbott, that's a ticket to make America great again and put the fear of God in America's enemies, foreign and domestic!" Nagy wrote in a blog post for The Hill, a Washington, D.C.-based political news outlet.

But observers familiar with Abbott's 2010 confrontation over Trump University might find such an alliance unlikely -- especially because Abbott this week endorsed Cruz.

The "university," which actually was a real-estate training package that awarded no accredited degrees, is now defunct. There are currently three active lawsuits against Trump and Trump University: one by the New York attorney general's office and two related California class actions.

The plaintiffs allege Trump and Trump University defrauded thousands of people throughout the country by selling real-estate training packages, ranging from $1,495 workshops to a "Gold Elite" program that cost up to $34,995, and came with "mentoring" - pledges of personal coaching on real-estate deals from Trump University instructors.

But the first major shot at Trump University came from Texas in January 2010. That's when Abbott's assistant attorney general in the Consumer Protection and Public Health Division, Rick Berlin, began a probe of whether the operation violated Texas' Deceptive Trade Practices Consumer Protection Act.

In a "civil investigative demand" mailed to university corporate offices at Trump's 40 Wall Street address, Abbott's office sought financial records; promotional and advertising material, such as that used to promote Trump University seminars in Texas; talking points and sales scripts used by seminar leaders to encourage people to purchase the paid programs; and names of all Texans who "purchased your workshop or mentoring program" from January 2008 to the present.

Rather than respond and turn over the requested documents, Trump University agreed to cease doing business in Texas.

Later that year, Trump University stopped operations altogether.

Abbott's media staff declined several requests from American Media Institute to comment on the Trump University controversy, or on whether Trump's involvement in the real-estate school raised issues, for Abbott, about Trump's integrity.

The decision by then-Attorney General Abbott's office to investigate Trump University followed a referral by the Better Business Bureau.

In 2008 and 2009, Texas-based BBB offices received some 30 complaints against the program, the severity and number of which prompted Abbott's office to take action.

Two of those complaints are included in court records of the legal cases against Trump and Trump University.

"Trump University and their staff should be ashamed of themselves! They RUINED my credit!!!" wrote Krassin Andreev of Pearland. "They told me I would get my large investment back in my first real estate deal because I would have access to amazing mentors and course content.

"I thought Donald Trump wouldn't have such a sorry excuse for a school just to make more money. The only help for maxing my cards was that I could pay their fee," wrote Andreev, who had paid $16,000 to Trump University.

Evidence produced in the lawsuits shows that people who purchased the $1,495 workshops were asked to provide detailed financial information, including bank balances, and in many cases advised to increase their credit card limits.

The purported reason for requesting this information was to help the instructors determine the amounts the students could afford to invest in real estate.

According to the lawsuits, the real purpose of getting the students' financial information was to determine how much enrollees could afford to pay for the next level - say, $10,000, $20,000, or all the way up to the maximum, $34,995.

Attempts to reach Andreev were unsuccessful. Another Texan who filed a complaint was contacted and asked that his name not be used. In his complaint, the man, from Keller, complained, as did Andreev, that after he paid Trump University, the real-estate "mentoring" services included in the package proved non-existent.

"Is there any wonder I have lost confidence in Trump University?" he wrote. "Instructor resigns in mid-course, a vice president resigns and nobody follows up with e-mails to his address; a woman who answers the phone at Trump U snickers at me."

Trump University attracted customers - not just throughout the country, but also in Canada and Puerto Rico - with promotions and advertisements for free seminars. At these, the materials suggested, Trump's very own get-rich techniques would be taught.

Texas was a hot spot for Trump University, with numerous events in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio and surrounding areas.

"The time to invest in Texas real estate is NOW!" proclaimed an ad promoting three Trump University seminars in San Antonio in October 2009.

The ad showed a smiling Trump, under which was the pledge that attendees would "learn from Donald Trump's hand-picked experts."

Another, promoting September 2009 events in Houston and Sugar Land, contained what reads as a personally written, signed letter by Trump. It includes the statement:

"Come to my free class. In just 90 minutes, my hand-picked instructors will share my techniques, which took my entire career to develop. Then, just copy exactly what I've done and get rich."

Trump subsequently admitted, in a September 2012 deposition, that he had no role in choosing instructors or designing the curriculum. He was unable to answer basic questions about the program's curriculum.

The main purpose of the seminars was to sell the $1,495 workshops. And a key purpose of the workshops was to make the big sell - for the Gold Elite program.

The big draw for the expensive follow-up programs was the "mentoring," which, according to the complaints, frequently failed to materialize.

Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks said that, because the subject remains an active legal matter, questions about Trump University should be addressed to Trump Organization counsel Alan Garten.

Garten did not answer questions e-mailed to him or prior e-mails forwarded to him from Hicks.

The January 2010 civil investigative demand letter from Abbott's office included a request for all documents related to Trump University's instructor/salesman Steve Goff.

Goff, a self-described real-estate expert and motivational speaker, was particularly active in Trump University's Texas operations.

On his LinkedIn page, the Houston-based Goff claims that he worked in "the Trump Building at 40 Wall Street in NYC as the only Real Estate Coach to Donald's Clients and Students."

According to Goff, in his job as "real estate coach and mentor," he conducted more than 1,000 free seminars and more than 300 workshops in "every major U.S. city for Trump."

One of the named plaintiffs in the California class action is Ed Oberkrom, a 65-year old Missouri man.

According to court records, Oberkrom contends that he agreed to pay $25,000 to Trump University after already paying $1,500 for a workshop. Oberkrom claims that he purchased the Elite program largely because Goff told him he had family in the St. Louis area and would be there frequently to "mentor" Goff and help him with real-estate deals.

This "mentoring" pledge failed to materialize. When Oberkrom requested a refund, Trump University refused.

In an e-mail, Goff disputed this account. "I did not serve as Ed's mentor," he wrote. According to his LinkedIn profile, in 2009, Goff won the Trump University "top sales award" four years in a row.

In 2007 - in the middle of his tenure with Trump's company - Goff filed for bankruptcy. He cited at least $759,000 in debts against less than $20,000 in assets.

Goff, in his e-mail, said that his bankruptcy had "nothing to do with Real Estate," implying that it was unfair to cite his bankruptcy when discussing his qualifications to teach real estate.

Goff's bankruptcy lists his profession as real-estate consultant. It shows that a substantial portion of his debt involved his personal obligations on real-estate mortgages.


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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I have a friend who paid $1500 to buy into a club which went to government auctions and bought stuff for people. They were promised a mentor and access to all the government auctions.

The guy who set that club up was arrested and tried for multiple cases of fraud.

He is now sitting in a CA prison.

How much do you wanna bet Trump will pay a fine and move on.

Do we really want a president who is such a scumabg that he really deserves to be in prison, the same one Hillary needs to occupy?

41 posted on 02/26/2016 8:14:31 AM PST by Slyfox (Ted Cruz does not need the presidency - the presidency needs Ted Cruz)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Trump has lawyers, guys like Cruz who get paid a lot to negotiate settlements in civil lawsuits like this. Just like they did with Univision (where Trump extracted untold amounts of money).

So let not your heart be troubled, there will be no courtroom drama to interfere with Trump’s campaign, just a negotiated settlement when he and his lawyers determine the time is right.


42 posted on 02/26/2016 8:14:45 AM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: JimSEA
I’ve been cautioning about this fraud for a long time but apparently to no avail.

I almost drank from the koolaid cup but can no longer ignore Trump's boatload of slimy stunts, crooked schemes and his crude potty mouth. With Trump as our nominee, I fear Hillary more than ever now because he and Hillary will be in a 'who is the biggest law-breaker' match.

43 posted on 02/26/2016 8:15:53 AM PST by demkicker (My passion for freedom is stronger than that of Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.)
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To: Slyfox

From your description, your friend was a victim of criminal fraud. The TU case is a civil lawsuit, not a criminal one, in which the standard of proof is lower and where the remedy is to pay money as compensation to the plantiff for losses suffered, never jail or fines.

I just mention this because in her zeal to impugn Trump, I wouldn’t expect The Wife to do so. Her biggest regret is that the death penalty doesn’t apply.


44 posted on 02/26/2016 8:21:22 AM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: bigbob
Whether it is criminal or civil, a lot of people were swindled out of their money in both cases.

Why would the state of the case make any difference?

Both Donald Trump and this guy who is sitting in a CA prison right now lied about their product and they got money from people who thought they were going to get mentoring and access.

Trump is a fraud. Plain and simple.

45 posted on 02/26/2016 8:26:09 AM PST by Slyfox (Ted Cruz does not need the presidency - the presidency needs Ted Cruz)
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To: patq

So you are on the side that says fraud is okay because the victims are too stupid to deserve their money??


46 posted on 02/26/2016 8:29:12 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: bigbob
Trump showed people how to lie to their credit card company to acquire $35,000.

Same thing this CA prisoner did. My friend said that he had a side racket that showed people how to acquire numerous credit cards and "play" them against each other. It was so complicated that the CA prosecutors had at least a dozen people working on it - just to figure out how he did it.

I am sure that the CA fraudster is sitting in his prison cell right now watching how Trump is skating away scot free and could possibly become president.

47 posted on 02/26/2016 8:32:48 AM PST by Slyfox (Ted Cruz does not need the presidency - the presidency needs Ted Cruz)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If this all keeps up, its a good thing Trump’s a big guy so he can fight off the the other inmates.


48 posted on 02/26/2016 8:32:51 AM PST by catfish1957 (I display the Confederate Battle Flag with pride in honor of my brave ancestors who fought w/ valor)
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To: Slyfox

Fraud in your mind, maybe but if he wasn’t charged with such, not in the eyes of the law. Damages, sure - just negotiate a settlement as I pointed out. You can conflate civil and crimimal law all you want but it’s not going to change anything.

Including my vote for Trump.


49 posted on 02/26/2016 8:33:39 AM PST by bigbob ("Victorious warriors win first and then go to war" Sun Tzu.)
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To: Slyfox
Multi-state issue now huh?

Maybe Trump can change his street name in the big house to

RICO SUAVE'


50 posted on 02/26/2016 8:35:26 AM PST by catfish1957 (I display the Confederate Battle Flag with pride in honor of my brave ancestors who fought w/ valor)
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To: bigbob
Well then sir, then you have guzzled down the Koolaid.

Trump was right, you would vote for him even if he shot somebody on the streets of Manhattan.

51 posted on 02/26/2016 8:36:38 AM PST by Slyfox (Ted Cruz does not need the presidency - the presidency needs Ted Cruz)
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To: gdani
The Dems will have a field day with “Trump University”

Yep, I can see his victims being paraded in front of tv cameras and telling how Trump scammed them. And no telling what other stuff they'll expose him on. He'll be toast and we'll probably end up with President Hillary. Sickening.

52 posted on 02/26/2016 8:49:16 AM PST by demkicker (My passion for freedom is stronger than that of Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Thank you, CW! I have not seen this before and appreciate your post, even though it makes me sick that if Trump is the GOP nominee, it will be a race between the crooks for POTUS. :-(


53 posted on 02/26/2016 8:52:21 AM PST by demkicker (My passion for freedom is stronger than that of Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.)
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To: moehoward

You are pathetic. If Trump is the nominee against Hillary, it will be a race between crooks. If you want to pretend Trump is the best GOP candidate for POTUS, then you are in denial of what is about to rain down on him.


54 posted on 02/26/2016 8:57:52 AM PST by demkicker (My passion for freedom is stronger than that of Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

All I want to know is, did Trump hold a gun to those people and force them to enroll to his U?

As to the people who enrolled, I’m sure they learned that they had no limit to greed.


55 posted on 02/26/2016 9:02:14 AM PST by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: JimSEA

That’s because they just know they are smarter than you. PT Barnum...


56 posted on 02/26/2016 9:10:52 AM PST by SgtHooper (If you remember the 60's, YOU WEREN'T THERE!)
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

I see you’re from New York.

I’m from Texas.

Trump’s shady character and disregard for others bothers me.


57 posted on 02/26/2016 9:11:15 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

What is the difference between Trump University and the other “colleges” that sell worthless degrees for even higher prices?

The entire college system is a giant scam


58 posted on 02/26/2016 9:12:32 AM PST by arl295
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To: arl295

They didn’t even get a “worthless” degree.

They got bupkis.


59 posted on 02/26/2016 9:22:39 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: 1_Rain_Drop
All I want to know is, did Trump hold a gun to those people and force them to enroll to his U?

Is that your point - the one on top of your head? Pssst: Blaming the victims of Trump's fraud shows that you have entered into the abyss.

As to the people who enrolled, I am sure they learned that they had no limit to greed.

Oh please. Aren't you tired of twisting yourself into a pretzel to defend Trump? His Trump University scam took advantage of folks who thought they would actually learn from the real estate mogul. They learned alright - from one of the biggest scam artist that suckered folks who couldn't afford to hand over their hard earned money to a rip-off artist.

And now he has convinced a sea of fools who refuse to open their eyes that he's dishonorable and should never be our President.

60 posted on 02/26/2016 9:23:50 AM PST by demkicker (My passion for freedom is stronger than that of Democrats whose obsession is to enslave me.)
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