Posted on 02/17/2016 9:04:36 PM PST by TigerClaws
A 2015 court case shows that the tech giant has been willing to play ball with the government before—and is only stopping now because it might ‘tarnish the Apple brand.’
Apple CEO Tim Cook declared on Wednesday that his company wouldn’t comply with a government search warrant to unlock an iPhone used by one of the San Bernardino killers, a significant escalation in a long-running debate between technology companies and the government over access to people’s electronically-stored private information.
But in a similar case in New York last year, Apple acknowledged that it could extract such data if it wanted to. And according to prosecutors in that case, Apple has unlocked phones for authorities at least 70 times since 2008. (Apple doesn’t dispute this figure.)
In other words, Apple’s stance in the San Bernardino case may not be quite the principled defense that Cook claims it is. In fact, it may have as much to do with public relations as it does with warding off what Cook called “an unprecedented step which threatens the security of our customers.â€
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Are you not aware that the courts routinely order people/suspects/corporations/arrestees to hand over records, that judges give the police warrants to enter a person's residence and search for evidence,...
Yes, I am aware that those are suspects with other evidence that made them suspects put before a judge who issues warrants or orders. In this case Apple is not a suspect so none of that applies.
They played it out in public because they thought it was a case that would generate sympathy for their cause. Judging from some of the reactions here, it is working.
No problem at all. Even the next 10 phones would be from dead perps or jailed convicts. But all that evidence will be tainted since Apple is not LE trained. Either perps or terrorist conspirators walk on that tainted evidence or the FBI demands the SW to use themselves. The next step is obvious, since that's what they do all the time now on Android and other such trash (I own an Android phone). This is a great time to draw the line, no compromises.
I am speaking about the actual court order. I don’t care what the FBI ‘wants’. Show me in the court order where it says to create a special version of iOS.
“In this case Apple is not a suspect so none of that applies.”
Apple has the codes, just as Swiss banks have been ordered to turn over records when the banks are not suspect.
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Hypothetical......how many lives is it worth? 14? 100? 1,000? 100,000? Your own children?
The feds just want the contact information.
I hope Apple loses millions and millions in sales over this.
Whose cause, Apple’s or the state’s? I suppose it depends on if the state really doesn’t have a way to do it. If they really did, and Apple refuses to help, it seems to me this would be a good way to convince bad guys to really start using these phones more. If they really didn’t, and they win this and somehow force Apple to help, seems like it becomes less useful as wouldn’t the bad dudes just use their phones less frequently, knowing for sure that they can be broken?
Anyhow I no expert for sure.
Freegards
The Court ordered Apple to assist the FBI, and the FBI wants Apple to create a special version of iOS. Therefore, Apple is under Court order to create a special iOS version.
As for Swiss banks it was quite obvious that it was not about tax evasion but inflation avoidance. The Swiss were shaken down simply because people preferred to keep their wealth in francs legally instead of dollars. That has proven wise over the long run and the US and Europeans had to stop that from happening.
There are dozens of neighbors and relatives that knew the terrorists were potentially terroristic or in training or prep. No phone records needed for that. The feds are shirking their responsibilities to protect Americans while respecting privacy and the tech that makes privacy nearly absolute.
The exception of course is when they actually do their job and gather other evidence on terrorist suspects. In those cases they can demand the passcodes and prevent actual terrorist planning and coordination.
You’re insane. Have you ever done ANY kind of law enforcement investigations?
Unlocking that phone is not worth one more American life.
It is people like you that led to our defeat and humiliation in VN. You had a date yet with Jane Fonda?
Please, if you can, give me a link to this order where it says this specifically.
I only know of what has been recounted about it. The extent was “reasonable technical assistance.” If it is as you say, then I’d like to see it and I’ll apologize and shut up about it because that would be unreasonable in my book.
Does that 10th erasing attempt also remove the data from the cloud?
You must be FBI because that is their exact argument. Of course the phone could have nothing on it. But then there are dozens more (according to NPR this morning) in the queue.
Have you ever done ANY kind of law enforcement investigations?
You are the one suggesting that Apole is qualified to do forensic examinations. You're not? Well then, Apple will have to turn over the SW to the FBI to use however and whenever they want.
10th failed guessing attempt. It does not erase the data, just the key. If Apple is smart (and mostly they are), they will use the same key to encrypt the data in the cloud.
This is what I am thinking. Make it into a challenge, and some people simply won't be able to resist the impulse to do it. Apple Inc is deliberately holding them back.
I believe they can crack a reasonable length passcode. That is all that is necessary. You deliberately misstate the problem because you want to believe whatever is the latest propaganda from Apple inc.
You are a huge Apple fan, and so therefore your opinion cannot be viewed as objective on anything relating to Apple.
I've argued with you before, and I remember how you attempted to credit Apple with all sorts of inventions that they didn't actually invent. You simply lack objectivity.
As I mentioned before, you are the leader of the Apple cheerleading squad, so i'm not really interested in listening to your Pro-Apple cheers or taunts.
Ah, thanks!
Yes, I read it, and I expect I understand it better than you do. You are characterizing this " Make a new version of IOs" as some Manhattan project level of difficulty.
It is just as likely to take fifteen minutes from the guy who wrote the original code.
I regard this effort by Apple to portray this as a hugely difficult and Herculean task is just like OJ Simpson trying on the bloody glove. He doesn't want to do it, so he makes it look like it is impossible for him to do it.
I think Apple can update their firmware quite easily. I think it wouldn't take their programers much time at all, but if they do it, they let the entire world know it can be done, and there goes one of their marketing schemes.
I think they are balking on doing it to this phone because it was used by a Muslim Terrorist. I think they want to avoid offending Muslims in General, and Terrorists in particular, and that their reluctance has not a D@mned thing to do with their capabilities, and everything to do with their desire not to do it.
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