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Does a Song Prove That Salieri Didn’t Kill Mozart?
Daily Beast ^ | February 17, 2016 | Shawn E. Milnes

Posted on 02/17/2016 6:26:10 AM PST by C19fan

Was Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart murdered by Italian composer and contemporary Antonio Salieri? Rumors have persisted since Mozart’s death in 1791. But the idea truly went global nearly 200 years later with the appearance of Peter Shaffer’s fictionalized account of the life and death of Mozart as seen through the eyes of his contemporary and competitor Salieri in Amadeus, first the Tony award-winning play in 1979, and the then the film of the same name by Milos Foreman which won an Oscar for Best Picture in 1985. Scholars have largely and uniformly debunked the theory, including Shaffer’s portrayal of Salieri as an envious and murder-obsessed mediocrity, but the notion endured. Now the recent discovery in a Czech museum of a new song written collaboratively by Mozart and Salieri may silence the rumor-mill for good after 225 years.

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TOPICS: Arts/Photography; History; Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: classical; mozart; salieri; std; venerealdisease
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To: HiTech RedNeck

—— lede-—

Point of information...... why lede and not lead?

I am involved is a semi controversy over the usage difference.

could you kindly shed some light would be much appreciated


21 posted on 02/17/2016 7:16:12 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump.)
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To: freepertoo

Anything out of Hollywood, almost, is going to be a pack of lies.

Anyhow, even in cases where rivalries DID explode into unpleasantries, only scholars remember it today. Everybody else only cares about the music that stood the test of time. Who’s going to care about, say, rap music in 100 years?


22 posted on 02/17/2016 7:17:32 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: C19fan

Poor Salieri lived too long.(From movie).

He didn’t benefit from the perqs of dying young.

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23 posted on 02/17/2016 7:19:53 AM PST by Mears
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To: bert

Lede was newspaper jargon from when lead type was used. Spelled differently to avoid confusion.

It’s become trendy to use it more generally.


24 posted on 02/17/2016 7:21:29 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: bert

It could be both, I suppose. I had an aunt who was a journalist for a major city newspaper and that profession tends to talk about “lede.” It might have been to avoid confusion, in print, with the word “lead” (the element Pb) which is what linotype machines used to use to cast the printing type for newspapers. Then when technology went computerized and the Pb was no more, the convention stayed. Just my guess.


25 posted on 02/17/2016 7:25:13 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: jjotto

——trendy——

got it

thanks


26 posted on 02/17/2016 7:25:29 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

thanks


27 posted on 02/17/2016 7:26:13 AM PST by bert ((K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;+12, 73, ....carson is the kinder gentler trump.)
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To: jjotto

Which itself probably remained a term even when toxicity concerns caused other materials to be used for typefaces.


28 posted on 02/17/2016 7:27:22 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Trumpinator
Many so-called prodigies are really nothing but precocious. They are not smarter than their peers, they are simply more advanced for their age. Eventually, the rest of the pack catches up to -- and in some cases surpasses -- them, and they spend their whole lives trying to recapture that lost glory.

I'm not saying Mozart was an example, but his brilliance as a musician, playing before crowned heads, was an accomplishment for a four-year-old, but nothing of note for a young man or even a teenager.

29 posted on 02/17/2016 7:30:42 AM PST by IronJack
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To: C19fan

I thought Ted Cruz killed Mozart?


30 posted on 02/17/2016 7:31:24 AM PST by nickcarraway
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To: IronJack

I regret neglecting music as part of my classical education.


31 posted on 02/17/2016 7:33:22 AM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: nickcarraway
I thought Ted Cruz killed Mozart?

Ted only said that Mozart had someone else write Mozart's music. He;s a liar not a killer.

32 posted on 02/17/2016 7:35:55 AM PST by Stentor ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute." Robert Goodloe Harper)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Kind of like Cruz and Trump do now

Yes.

Salieri threatened to sue Mozart whenever Mozart composed a better piece of music.

And Mozart was born in Canada (New France).

33 posted on 02/17/2016 7:37:56 AM PST by kidd
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To: Trumpinator

Classical music may not be a magic formula to make kids smarter, but I wonder if anyone has compared the effect on cognitive development of infanrs who listen exclusively to classical music vs those who listen to heavy metal or rap.

I have to think that what goes in our brains affects the development.


34 posted on 02/17/2016 7:47:53 AM PST by NorthstarMom (God says debt is a curse and children are a blessing, yet we apply for loans and prevent pregnancy.)
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To: NorthstarMom

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU7xkuzH1X0

DiSCOVERY_(1.3) MYTHBUSTERS: Classical V. Heavy Metal V. Silence V. Bad Language V. Praise


35 posted on 02/17/2016 8:12:23 AM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
As Amadeus told the story, the older Salieri was a restrained and formal personality who was unhappily drawn into a mentor-protege relationship with a much younger, more talented, obnoxious, and undisciplined Mozart whom Salieri resented and disliked.

Salieri's supposed poisoning of Mozart was thus portrayed as the carrying out of a secret motive. Yet, as you point out, if they truly had been enemies, they would have written something publicly to that effect, or in their letters and diaries, or gossipy contemporaries would have recorded it in some manner.

History though provides no such evidence, an omission that most experts consider as persuasive against any claim that Salieri had a grudge against Mozart. Indeed, Salieri was a respected and successful composer, conductor, and teacher who made a large contribution to the development of the opera. While Salieri and Mozart were sometimes rivals in seeking jobs and commissions, they were also seen by contemporaries as on friendly terms.

Granted, Mozart may have been trying as a child prodigy, and his jarring liking for practical jokes and for scatological jokes and lyrics might have made him trying company at times for the older and conservative Salieri. Yet such irritants seem a thin basis on which to project a secret hatred of Mozart by Salieri and a motive to murder him. In sum, the key premise of Amadeus is bunkum.

The departures from history in Amadeus were seen by some critics at the time as an unwarranted weakening of the premise of traditional historical fiction that the story tamper as little as possible with history and be spun around the margins of but not contradict known historical facts.

In our era of mashups and take offs such objections may seem quaint but they still help mark the limits to what audiences are willing to tolerate. Amadeus was a well-told fiction and commercial success, but it was not followed by a wave of similar movies that contradict historical fact. The artistes of Hollywood usually seem to reserve such deceit for when they are trying to score political points -- and the result is often a commercial bomb.

36 posted on 02/17/2016 9:13:29 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: Trumpinator

I guess if plants had brains and souls we would know ;-).

As it is, only people and animals have nephesh.


37 posted on 02/17/2016 10:30:34 AM PST by NorthstarMom (God says debt is a curse and children are a blessing, yet we apply for loans and prevent pregnancy.)
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To: Rockingham

Salieri is like Dr Doom vs Reed Richards (Mozart).


38 posted on 02/17/2016 10:33:49 AM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: C19fan

later


39 posted on 02/17/2016 12:03:13 PM PST by Albion Wilde (Who can actually defeat the Democrats in 2016? -- the most important thing about all candidates.)
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To: Trumpinator

Those are from a later generation, but I get the point that the reference is not complimentary toward Salieri.


40 posted on 02/17/2016 12:43:58 PM PST by Rockingham
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