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Does a Song Prove That Salieri Didn’t Kill Mozart?
Daily Beast ^ | February 17, 2016 | Shawn E. Milnes

Posted on 02/17/2016 6:26:10 AM PST by C19fan

Was Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart murdered by Italian composer and contemporary Antonio Salieri? Rumors have persisted since Mozart’s death in 1791. But the idea truly went global nearly 200 years later with the appearance of Peter Shaffer’s fictionalized account of the life and death of Mozart as seen through the eyes of his contemporary and competitor Salieri in Amadeus, first the Tony award-winning play in 1979, and the then the film of the same name by Milos Foreman which won an Oscar for Best Picture in 1985. Scholars have largely and uniformly debunked the theory, including Shaffer’s portrayal of Salieri as an envious and murder-obsessed mediocrity, but the notion endured. Now the recent discovery in a Czech museum of a new song written collaboratively by Mozart and Salieri may silence the rumor-mill for good after 225 years.

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TOPICS: Arts/Photography; History; Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: classical; mozart; salieri; std; venerealdisease
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Poor Salieri. His pupils is a whos/whos of Classical and Romantic music.
1 posted on 02/17/2016 6:26:10 AM PST by C19fan
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Now the recent discovery in a Czech museum of a new song written collaboratively by Mozart and Salieri may silence the rumor-mill for good after 225 years.

New song? New old stock, at most.
2 posted on 02/17/2016 6:30:26 AM PST by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics)
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Was this rumor about Salieri contemporary with the era of Mozart? I am pretty sure this conspiracy theory never existed until the play/movie (I forget which came first) was written.


3 posted on 02/17/2016 6:34:15 AM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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Let’s Czech it out.


4 posted on 02/17/2016 6:38:57 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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The song is called “If I Did It” by Herr OJ Salieri.


5 posted on 02/17/2016 6:40:12 AM PST by Yaelle
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Absolutely ridiculous. Salieri was a notable composer in his own right, while Mozart's reputation as a genius was largely the result of his being a child prodigy. His work, while brilliant and prolific, is occasionally repetitive and uninspired. Salieri had no reason to be jealous of Mozart, much less to murder him.

The rascally gadabout portrayed in "Amadeus" is complete and utter fiction. The movie is less a biography about Mozart than it is an object lesson in the conflict between excellence and average. Milos Forman and Peter Shaffer did the music world a disservice when they chose to play that lesson out against a backdrop of classical music.

6 posted on 02/17/2016 6:41:03 AM PST by IronJack
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Predating the "Barney Song"

I hate you,
you hate me
Here is some arsenic for your tea....

7 posted on 02/17/2016 6:44:14 AM PST by BigEdLB (Take it Easy, Chuck. I'm Not Taking it Back -- Donald Trump)
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They had no toxicology test back then, and competing accounts exist. The lede article refers to a modern physician who thinks Mozart suffered from trichinosis contracted from undercooked pork. Have any relics of Mozart been chemically tested? Anyhow, many diseases could feel like “poisoning.”


8 posted on 02/17/2016 6:45:19 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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One would think if there was a real rivalry, the two would have traded barbs in public. Kind of like Cruz and Trump do now. The alleged Salieri confession is not directly attested and was reported around a time he had gone insane and so who knows if he was kidding or imagined it.


9 posted on 02/17/2016 6:49:11 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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"It's a joint composition by Mozart and Salieri ... a really valuable work ... long thought to have been lost," Czech National Museum spokeswoman Sarka Dockalova told the AFP.

The song is called "Per la Ricuperata Salute di Ofelia," which translates to "For the recovered health of Ophelia".

Rumors of Salieri's involvement in Mozart's death began almost immediately after Mozart's passing on December 5, 1791 just shy of his 36th birthday.

In 2001, Dr. Jan V. Hirschmann, an infectious disease specialist, reviewed childhood accounts and letters from Mozart to his wife and others placed the blame for his death on trichinosis from eating undercooked pork.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/17/does-a-song-prove-that-salieri-didn-t-kill-mozart.html

10 posted on 02/17/2016 6:49:20 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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The movie set off a long running obsession with prodigy kids who graduate college in their teens or younger. We had that TV series about a kid doctor for example in the 80s or 90s - I can’t remember. Moms were buying headphones designed to be played over pregnant bellies and other nonsense like that. I think the fad died when the first batch of kids turned out to be just as smart (or dumb) as the the rest of the pack.


11 posted on 02/17/2016 6:52:56 AM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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The discovered piece was entitled: “Why I Didn’t Kill That Bastard Mozart” in A minor.

You can’t get any better evidence than that.


12 posted on 02/17/2016 6:55:56 AM PST by PGR88
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There have been experiments, I believe, where they have found that newborns will recognize their mother’s voice out of a selection of that and other women’s. So they probably hear something in there. Maybe it’s just insufficient research.


13 posted on 02/17/2016 6:56:36 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/fact-or-fiction-babies-ex/

Fact or Fiction?: Babies Exposed to Classical Music End Up Smarter

Is the so-called “Mozart effect” a scientifically supported, developmental leg up or a media-fueled “scientific legend”?

“I would simply say that there is no compelling evidence that children who listen to classical music are going to have any improvement in cognitive abilities,” adds Rauscher, now an associate professor of psychology at the University of Wisconsin–Oshkosh. “It’s really a myth, in my humble opinion.”


14 posted on 02/17/2016 6:58:57 AM PST by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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“I’m well again but it took five months! I can sing!
These eighteenth century quacks, can hardly do a thing!
Where’s Louis Pasteur when you need him?
Oh well, let’s get undercooked pork for Mozart and feed him!”

— being silly


15 posted on 02/17/2016 7:00:42 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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Part of the problem could be that they’re listening through water anyhow. High frequencies would be lost.


16 posted on 02/17/2016 7:01:43 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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I know my daughter got really quiet, really quick when I started talking to her quietly right after she was C-Sectioned out of my wife. Not scientific, I know, but I am certain to this day as I was at the time that she recognized my voice while not recognizing the voices of the nurses or others in the room.


17 posted on 02/17/2016 7:03:00 AM PST by L,TOWM (Is it still too soon to start shooting? [No social transformation without representation])
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The premise of Amadeus -- that a jealous Salieri killed the superbly talented Mozart -- was roundly rejected by scholars when the movie came out. It made for an entertaining story though and helped generate a wave of interest in classical music.
18 posted on 02/17/2016 7:04:38 AM PST by Rockingham
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Like I said... it sounds weird. The two would almost surely have been trading barbs in public. That’s what jealousy does.


19 posted on 02/17/2016 7:06:24 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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I loved the movie and discovered Mozart’s music through it. But, the movie doesn’t purport to be anything but broad fiction. Still a very, very fun movie.


20 posted on 02/17/2016 7:13:09 AM PST by freepertoo
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