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Apple's competition is going to have a tough year in 2016
Apple Insider ^ | Saturday, January 09, 2016 | By Daniel Eran Dilger

Posted on 01/10/2016 7:41:05 PM PST by Swordmaker

In 2015 Apple grabbed a 94 percent share of the world's global smartphone profits, sold the only profitable tablets and smartwatch, increased its Mac unit sales,, launched a successful NFC payment platform, took a huge slice of the music streaming market and introduced a new platform for the living room. How can it possibly beat that performance in 2016?



That's the premise set out by clickbait legend Jay Yarow of Business Insider, who penned a compendium of worries of potential scenarios of doom for the world's largest and most successful tech company, bravely entitled "Apple is going to have a tough year."

The reality is that it will be much easier for Apple sell iPhones, iPads, Apple Watch and Macs in 2016 given that its competitors are now weaker than they were in 2015


Yarow raised some scary sounding ideas about Apple before dashing them himself with facts, then started over with some less sensational, rather basic complaints about how he thinks Apple could be doing better in various ways, such as retroactively introducing products years before they were developed, or alternatively holding up the release of new products until there are no possible ways one could ask for improvement.

While the article itself says nothing worthy of note, it's useful to consider the white space around it: the real facts that Yarow tiptoed around and apparently went out of his way to fail to acknowledge in order to generate some content to satisfy the Apple-centric SEO quotas at BI.

It's a lengthy article that never once contemplates how the world is changing around Apple. The reality is that it will be much easier for Apple sell iPhones, iPads, Apple Watch and Macs in 2016 given that its competitors are now weaker than they were in 2015.

2015: The year of Weak Apple Competitors



If you've forgotten already, 2015 was the year that Apple's primary mobile device competitor imploded and the figurehead of a legacy software company dabbling in hardware rather arrogantly claimed that it was the

="http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/10/23/microsoft-represents-only-serious-competition-for-apple-hardware-ballmer-says">most competent PC hardware maker left (which, astonishingly, was actually partially true).


"Nobody else has really tried to compete with them anymore really seriously in hardware...
If there's going to be any competition at all for Apple it will come from Microsoft." - Steve Ballmer


Virtually all of the established PC makers seemed to be evaluating how to get out of the business, even as Apple's premium-class Mac sales gained significant new ground. Including tablets with PCs, Apple now sells the most computers and the most expensive computers (and nearly all of the expensive computers), an apparent contradiction of the "common sense" understanding of price elasticity of demand and the premium-eroding nature of commodity products.

Apple is essentially the Professor stranded on Gilligan's Island, except that rather than being the intelligent problem solver for a bunch of goofy half-wits stuck on an island, Apple is competing against them in the global market for electronics.

The idea that Apple will be struggling to pay the rent this year as it copes with an inferiority complex grounded in the overshadowing success of last year's Apple is not just a surrealist joke. It's also what passes for journalism and analysis these days on the web. A lot of ink has already been spilled about the deep hole Apple keeps digging for itself as its past successes make for a Law of Large Numbers / Difficult Compare moving forward. It should be considered whether Apple even really faces any effective competition

The plight of Apple's competitors doesn't really come up much, but when grieved by concerns about Apple's precarious predicament on the biggest and fastest growing pile of cash in the industry, it should be considered whether Apple even really faces any effective competition.

Real world competition, that is, not the representative products of "competitors" that make up a tiny irrelevant shred of the world's total market share, which really exist only to give enthusiast magazines something to compare against Apple.

Take for example Google Nexus. While industry writers like to talk about how Google has "80 percent" share with Android, the actual units of Google-branded devices that compete with Apple are quite negligible (0.1 percent, according to IDC), despite the huge share of media attention provided to it. The number of people buying Nexus phones is less than even Windows Phone, and you'd be hard pressed to find any reasonable person who actually believes that Microsoft materially competes with Apple in the smartphone market.

Apple's iPhone share of global smartphone sales is at 14%. Google Nexus has at best peaked at 0.1%, via IDC. https://t.co/JlZyeas5XF
— Daniel Eran Dilger (@DanielEran) January 9, 2016

Remember in 2012 and 2013 when iPad was supposed to be under grave threat from Nexus 7 at its breakthrough price of $199? Everyone watched in anticipation to see how Apple would react to cheap 7 inch tablets. But in reality, it didn't even bother to respond. Apple continued selling its own tablet products at prices more than twice as high as Google's bargain tab.

Despite that, iPads massively outsold Nexus 7, not to mention the rest of the entire production of Asus (the firm that was building Google's vanity tablet). It's clear Apple didn't consider Google's Nexus line to be a competitor that it needed to address in its own pricing. But the end result makes it pretty clear that Nexus never offered any real competition.

In fact, Apple's peak iPad sales, when the company reached above 20 million iPads in holiday quarters, were sold at record profits directly in the face of Nexus 7, a product that barely shows up in global tablet sales. Two years later, Apple is selling fewer iPads, but it's not because of tablet competitors. Google isn't even trying to sell cheap tablets anymore, and its tablet sales have never reached up into commercial significance.

Effective competition is not posed by a product that offers a dramatic price advantage yet fails to sell in relevant quantities. Last year, Apple's competition posed such little significance that the company dramatically expanded its sales even while raising the iPhone's Average Selling Price.

Hardware prices in the tech industry are supposed to go down. They are for everyone else. Also down are margins and overall profits. Apple's competitors are limping into 2016 even as Apple rolls into the new year on on a overboard made out of money.

Pity the iPhone maker



BI frets that Apple could possibly face flat growth in iPhone unit sales over the next year. That is, if you believe analysts who, based on December quarter supply chain channel checks, think they know how many phones Apple will sell three months from now, and who are currently contradicting Apple executives' own guidance pertaining to the quarter that just ended.

As noted in a year-end report by Philip Elmer-DeWitt of Fortune, "even bullish sell-side Apple analysts" including Daniel Ives of FBR; Mark Moskowitz of Barclays; Katy Huberty of Morgan Stanley; Amit Daryanani of RBC; Aaron Rakers of Stifle and Timothy Arcuri of Cowen have been voicing Peak Apple concerns rooted in their sell-side equity research.

Some bean counters needing to justify continued existence of sellside equity research have called peak Apple. Again. https://t.co/bt4UPcKXQf
— Ben Basche (@basche42) January 1, 2016

Yarow states, "Publicly traded technology companies like Apple are measured by their ability to grow earnings and revenue," but then ignores both and begins talking about unit sales, even though none of the analysts worrying about flat unit sales are saying anything about Apple's earnings and revenue being at risk.

Remember that many of these same analysts, including Morgan Stanley's Katy Huberty (who Yarow calls a "megabull on Apple"), were warning that Steve Jobs' Apple of 2008 faced a worrisome global macroeconomic climate that would kill sales of the premium products that the company was offering and drive impoverished recession victims into the arms of commodity product makers.

Back then, analysts were indeed worrying about revenue and earnings, not just unit sales. That talk helped crash the demand for Apple's stock, slashing its going rate among investors in half by the end of that year. But it wasn't true.

Despite a global recession stoked by a $4 trillion war and a catastrophic credit crunch incited by a dismantling of banking regulation, despite economic malaise contributing to unemployment and buyers with less cash on hand, Apple kept on selling more Macs and iPhones, and continued to earn record profits. Jay Yarow states, "Publicly traded technology companies like Apple are measured by their ability to grow earnings and revenue," but then ignores both and begins talking about unit sales

The analysts were wrong. Apple's stock price corrected itself by more than doubling in 2009, then nearly doubling again in 2010. In fact, Apple's stock has never ended a year with negative performance since 2008, except for this year, when analysts began saying the same kinds of things they were saying in 2008.

Currently, Apple's stock has hit a new recent low, but it's about 780 percent higher than it was back in 2008, when analysts who didn't really grasp Apple's business were describing bleak troubles that seemed "common sense" plausible to many investors at the time.

It's pretty clear those same analysts don't really understand today's Apple any better, in part because the Apple of today is much larger, has expanded into many new and differentiated regions and has a much more complex supply chain than it had in 2008, back when iPhones in the U.S.A. were only available via AT&T and the product wasn't even officially sold in China.

This year, Apple is selling an enhanced "s" version of its iPhone 6, the duo of larger models that last year began as unproven new products in the market and appeared—according to clickbait content generators—to face significant competition from Samsung, by far the largest Android phone maker.

Over the past year, iPhone 6 proved itself it be both very popular among early adopters and extremely satisfying to those who bought it, in stark contrast to Samsung, which witnessed a massive collapse in demand for its comparable, premium-range Galaxy S6 and Note 5 models.

Samsung is facing not just flat growth for the coming year, but has already experienced an end to its smartphone growth last year! Not only is Samsung Apple's largest hardware competitor, but it's the only significant firm that offers any real competitive threat to iPhones at all. And it's collapsing. It's actively warning its employees (and again warned investors this week, just as it did last year) that things are not going well.


Samsung again warning on profits last quarter [sic], as it did last year


Apple didn't warn analysts and investors that it was facing an end to iPhone growth. Tim Cook did the opposite during the September earnings call, explaining the credible reasons why the growth Apple was seeing with iPhone 6/6s would continue into the future.

Cook is neither a member of the media nor an executive for Samsung, so under FTC regulations he can't materially lie about the financial situation of his company and expect to get away with it. At the same time, prior to its earnings call Apple is in a quiet period, so hedge fund managers know they can say pretty much anything.

In early 2009, just after Apple's stock had last been ransacked by irresponsible financial reporting of CNBC, talk show personality Jon Stewart grilled Jim Cramer, the frantic host of its "Mad Money" entertainment show, for his act of being "doe-eyed innocent" while celebrating the admittedly illegal shenanigans of hedge fund managers, calling Cramer's act "disingenuous at best and criminal at worst."

Rampantly false reporting is back with a vengeance. Prior to Apple's last earnings call, Cook earlier interrupted the non-stop speculation then swirling about Apple's supposed problems in China. Rather than appreciating the appearance of reliable information based on facts, the same people who had been spreading lies about Apple in China turned on Cook and suggested that it was improper for him to tell the truth during lie-season, as if stock manipulators should be able to deceive the market without being challenged.

Since then, clickbait pundits have focused on the "difficult compare" Apple will have in matching its incredible success last year. However, myopically focusing on Apple's previous performance fails to consider that this year, its largest competitor and the only other very high-volume maker of premium smartphones is bruised and battered, after failing to show any competent capacity to actually challenge iPhone 6 across all of 2015 despite multiple new product launches.

Samsung, the only other very high-volume maker of premium smartphones, is bruised and battered after failing to show any competent capacity to actually challenge iPhone 6 across all of 2015 despite multiple new product launches.


Last year, Samsung released twice as many flagships as it formerly has; it also unveils major new offerings at least twice as often as Apple's annual refreshes. None of these really offered any resistance to iPhone 6.

Over the previous three years, Samsung essentially paved the way for larger smartphones, but then flopped badly in response to Apple moving into the big-phone product category that Samsung could previously point to as a real and obvious differentiation.

What's the next big thing? While Samsung already sells higher-resolution fablets than Apple's existing iPhones, those pixel counts are not an obvious differentiator in the market; based on what people were buying in 2015, iOS was considered more valuable than ultra high density screen resolutions. That wasn't as clear cut in 2014, when iOS was indeed losing some valuable sales on the high-end to Android phones with larger screens.

That indicates that in 2016, pixel counts are not going to make a significant difference. Samsung also can't keep releasing larger and larger phones, because the value of a large display quickly starts to become a size, weight and clumsy interface liability after 5.5 inches. Samsung (and other iOS rivals) will have to invent something completely new to even have a chance of winning back losses to iOS on the valuable high end, but nobody in Android-land has proven to be very good at inventing compelling new differentiating premium features.

Android's success has primarily come from how similar to iOS it can present itself as being, and Samsung's success has almost exclusively been based on closely replicating the appearance, behavior and features of iPhones as closely as it can. Unique inventions of Android and unique features conceived by Samsung have almost entirely been flops: LED trackballs, multiple hardware buttons, curved screens, 3D displays, hand waving gestures, eyeball tracking and facial recognition to name just a few.

On the other hand, Android has historically introduced earlier support for emerging technologies such as LTE, NFC and 4K video before Apple. That's changing. Not only is Apple developing its own leading A-series chips, but it's also now in a position where it can simply watch struggling Android vendors try to innovate and harvest their best ideas.

Now that the shoe is on the other foot, Apple has a series of clear advantages that Android makers can't afford to add to their downmarket portfolios, because Android hardware is increasingly differentiated only by price, and being cheap also means you don't have money to invest in new technology.

Only a few Android flagships offer something like Touch ID, 64-bit SoCs, or support Google or Samsung's version of Apple Pay, and none yet have shipped a 3D Touch equivalent. Few have anything comparable to Apple's ecosystem features like Continuity, HomeKit, HealthKit and CarPlay. In fact, Google is so slow at releasing new Android updates that less than a third of its Google Play users can plug into the company's version of CarPlay.

Apple is entering 2016 with an enhanced iPhone 6s lineup and a more affordable set of iPhone 6 models to offer, while Samsung has no success to build upon, and has instead clearly lost major market share and suffered a direct hit of its premium customer base. The Android licenses that have benefitted from Samsung's collapse are flooding the market with even cheaper models, making it even harder for Samsung to respond effectively to Apple's expansion on the high end.

Apple of 2016 is not really competing against Apple 2015; it's competing against Samsung 2016, and that competitor is looking awfully weak. Nobody else in Android land is looking significantly better, while Blackberry and Windows phones have also started into a battle with relevance for another year, further stripped of their weapons and armor. Even their most strident fans are giving up. That's also the case on Android.


Android is a feeding tube for iOS. Source: Ericsson


Given that only 30 percent of the iPhone user base upgraded to iPhone 6 last year, the rave reviews of that product and new expanded features on the high end 6s—and price options on the lower end 6—should have no problem extending the 6/6s upgrade cycle throughout 2016.

It may well be that Apple is seeing less demand for its latest iPhone 6s models, due to the fact that there is less to differentiate the 6 and 6s than there was between the 5s and the restyled 5c two years ago. However, this year Apple's "last year" model has a $100 premium Plus variant, and is offered in 16 or 64GB versions, making it more likely that even buyers who opt for a cheaper iPhone 6 will still maintain Apple's industry-leading Average Selling Prices.

And while Samsung and other Android licensees have struggled to sell premium models of any kind, even Apple's thriftiest customers will be delivering an ASP far higher than the ASP seen among Android phones.

Further, the likelihood of Apple revamping a new 4 inch "iPhone 6c" model this spring also looks capable of switching a generation of iPhone 5/5c/5s users who want a single handed-phone to a new, faster model with a better camera and support for Apple Pay. Apple of 2016 is not really competing against Apple 2015; it's competing against Samsung 2016, and that competitor is looking awfully weak

However, the biggest smartphone issue in Apple's favor going into 2016 is the extended malaise hanging over Android, Windows, Tizen and Blackberry, all of which have languished while their users have observed Apple making substantial technical leaps and rapidly distributing free updates that keep iPhone users secure from mass exploits, protected from incessant adware tracking, refreshed with new technical capabilities and (for most users) enhanced as increasingly fast and power-efficient devices.

While Apple is working on refinements and new features for iOS 10, Google is busy working to remove copyright infringing code from the next Android N, busywork that does nothing for Android users but delay other planned new features and fixes, with the potential side effect of introducing new bugs.

Between iOS upgraders and switchers from other platforms, Apple currently has no visible end to its smartphone expansion. Android is indeed a massively large platform on a global scale. But that's also opportunity for Apple. One only needs to look at the last several years of increasing Mac sales, fed largely from Windows defectors in an era of flat Windows growth.

Android is currently a larger pool to draw from than Windows was, and while much of that pool is shallow in terms of premium phone opportunity, it also represents a massive number of basic users who will eventually switch to a premium phone, the same way that basic "feature phone" users upgraded to smartphones over the last eight years.

Five years ago, Microsoft incorrectly bet that a partnership and then acquisition of Nokia could parlay that firm's still significant basic phone market share into a demand for Windows phones. That didn't happen.

Apple didn't have to spend billions of dollars to develop training wheels that taught basic phone users how much better smartphones were. Google did all the work and got its licensees to pay billions every year to advertise this. The beneficiary has clearly been the company that now earns 94 percent of the industry's profits.


Source: Canaccord Genuity

Until Apple actually begins to see flat growth in iPhones, let's instead look at its competitors, all of which are performing so extremely poorly that their own users are essentially being herded into Apple's iOS corral, without Apple needing to even do much work on its end. Once that gravy train slows down, then we can talk about the decisions Apple will be forced to make to maintain growth, such as the price slashing and billion dollar ad campaigns that Samsung and Microsoft have infamously tried, without much success.

But right now, can we stop the handwringing faux-pity over Apple's dire problems of making too much money while selling too many phones with the dire result of being challenged to improve upon that performance? Because that's not a problem, it's every CEO's fantasy.

Following upon this first segment, a second looks specifically at Apple's business outside of iPhones.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
KEYWORDS: apple; applepinglist; ios; iphone; macos; microsoft; samsung
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To: PIF

I wish I’d unloaded it at $117 or $118 a few weeks back, and were just sitting on the money now, trying to make up my mind what to do. :’)


41 posted on 01/11/2016 4:12:06 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: Swordmaker

Good information, thanks for posting,


42 posted on 01/11/2016 4:17:42 AM PST by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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To: SunkenCiv

Held mine since the 90s make lots of bucks if I sold. I’d hold, as where else are you going to put the money? Only other thing to do is to buy property (raw) - a lot or two somewhere on the cheap - probably make more in the long haul per buck than on any stock or other paper investment.


43 posted on 01/11/2016 4:32:23 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: CurlyDave
i didn't lose anything, but i wonder what those that bought at the top of their market think???
44 posted on 01/11/2016 4:51:10 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -w- NO Pity for the LAZY - Luke, 22:36)
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To: PIF

Oh, there are older companies which are very reliable investments. If I’d bought the shares prior to the split a few years ago — I couldn’t, I needed the money out of the acc’t — I’d have done very well. Of course, I didn’t have much in the account. Right now the IRA is where I’ve got this AAPL investment.


45 posted on 01/11/2016 5:15:36 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Hold


46 posted on 01/11/2016 5:17:27 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: SunkenCiv
I understand and fully appreciate your comments, but my bias is that the economics of most things commonly has a significant emotional comment, and that what could hurt Apple is if their products or the company itself start to ‘feel’ different to consumers. My impression is that this is starting to happen, for a variety of reasons, and if they are to stay where they are they have to be aware of this and make the necessary adjustments. I say this as someone who has been using Apple computers exclusively for a fairly long time.

Seemingly little things, like the power cord and other adaptor changes from model to model, the nuisance of having the iCloud ‘reminder’ pop up incessantly when you don't want to use iCloud, and lots of other little irritations start to erode the loyalty people have - especially when there are others out there trying to become the next ‘upstart’. I'm not saying this will happen, but it is not impossible. Most people didn't think Apple would ever even come close to becoming competitive against Microsoft, let alone be in the position they are today. That's in part because Microsoft became complacent, and ceded the moniker of being the innovator to Apple. Same thing that Microsoft did to IBM.

I have Apple stock, and so I don't want this to happen, but to me they are already starting to ‘feel’ different, and that is something they really need to avoid.

47 posted on 01/11/2016 5:28:14 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
One thing that went away for a time was Apple's higher-cost/higher-price model; Steve Jobs' success in coaxing high quality along with low cost out of Chinese OEMs while cutting retail prices and maxing Apple's margins remains his greatest achievement IMHO. Their announcement that they're moving some production back to the US hasn't gone too far, AFAIK, and I'd be surprised if they ever manage to do it.

48 posted on 01/11/2016 5:39:02 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: PIF

I expect a bit of a recovery this week, despite the additional and continuing bad news out of China — not least because so much of Apple’s production is *in* China, but also despite the fact that China was previously seen as a big growth area for Apple.

I don’t expect a miracle, and no longer anticipate the kinds of 20-30% a year appreciation in share price that have often prevailed in the past. My first rodeo with Apple was in the 1980s, and after getting figuratively beaten with a bag of oranges — this was about a zillion splits ago, the shares were I think in the high 20s — I dropped the 100 shares at a smaller loss than it might have been had I not been a little patient, then watched as the stock lost half its value and I was out. HAD I waited to buy in the first place, the couple of hundred shares I’d have bought would be worth, well, probably millions now. Oh well. So much for my psychic powers. ;’)


49 posted on 01/11/2016 5:44:26 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Here's to the day the forensics people scrape what's left of Putin off the ceiling of his limo.)
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To: Cronos

OK thanks, it explains all the pro Apple . My oldest son and I had Apple and have now found Samsung much better with their phones. I use ACER for the laptop and have no problems and will look into a kindle this week.


50 posted on 01/11/2016 5:49:40 AM PST by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: SunkenCiv

Lack of normal human psychic powers is why I say Hold. As do many who are not running from the obvious options manipulations spreading their FUD once again. There’s still a chance that 10 years form now AAPL could do another 7-1 split and the millions roll in :)


51 posted on 01/11/2016 6:12:34 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: Cronos; manc
I think Swordmaker works and has investments with Apple.

I have told this many times. I do not work for Apple. I do own some Apple stock in my portfolio. I maintain the Apple/Mac/iPhone/iPad/iOS Ping list on FreeRepupblic among several others. That ping list has over 700 members, each and every one of which has voluntarily requested to be on that ping list and wants to see articles on that list of subjects. There are a few anti-Apple hate group members who simply refuse to believe any of the above who continually spread lies on Apple threads about Apple and me, claiming I am a paid social marketer and/or shill. Nothing could be farther from the truth. I am semi-retired, educated as an Economist, have been a CEO, have managed a fairly large dental office for a world-class implantology dentist on contract for my business consultation business which is run 100% on Macs, founded a successful charity and ran it for 26 years. I ran a cross-platform technical consulting business for 36 years, so I am very intimately familiar with computers.

I have NEVER been employed by Apple nor by any marketing organization of any kind associated with Apple or any of its subsidiaries or customers. The Apple Hate Brigade posters on FR have been told this numerous times but will still post their lies claiming I am, without proof or evidence. They know I post the pings to the list, but ignore that, and when members of the ping list contradict their claims, they either claim those posters are me, pretending to post under different logins, or other paid marketers. They are, to say the least, totally delusional. Facts do not sway them in their hatred. All they have to do is ignore these threads. Even JR has told them to back off. They continue in their self appointed crusade with a religious fervor.

52 posted on 01/11/2016 10:15:30 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue....)
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To: Cementjungle

“they only have a high cut of the profits because their stuff is overpriced.”

And Apple uses cheap Chinese labor instead of Americans all the while bragging about their profits.

Trump is right: TAX them! Bring the jobs back to America!


53 posted on 01/11/2016 10:24:45 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: Up Yours Marxists; Swordmaker
Slinging more mud this way? Again, your article's a bunch of lying propaganda fluff. Takes 2 minutes to disprove it is slanted nonsense.

If it only takes two minutes to show Swordmaker is posting propaganda why do you spend much more time than that just calling Swordmaker a liar rather than proving he is a liar? May I submit that you can prove no such thing.

There is absolutely no evidence of a crime but the seriousness of the charge demands that we investigate. Oh and there was no evidence of a crime after they investigated either.

54 posted on 01/11/2016 10:25:47 AM PST by itsahoot (Anyone receiving a Woo! Woo! for President has never won anything after the award.)
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To: BobL
I wasn’t sure there...the article was about Apple and they have their huge plant, so yes, it would be a good time for everyone to upgrade if Trump looked to be winning.

Apple doesn't "have their huge plant," in China. That plant belongs to a Taiwanese company called Hon Hai Precision Industries, Ltd. Inc. which owns FoxConn Technology Group. They contract with over 500 different companies to build things. Hon Hai/FoxConn assembled approximately 40% of the world's electronics in 2012. The last estimate I heard was it was up to 60%. They will build whatever you want built.

Apple DOES OWN the equipment on their assembly lines which Apple designs to build their products. . . over $225 Billion dollars worth. However, FoxConn provides the facilities where it is installed, runs it, and hires the employees. Another company involved is Pegatron which runs under the same arrangement. When Apple re-designs their lines and no longer needs specific equipment, they generally sell that equipment to the contract company where it is installed and it may wind up being used on other lines. The contract company will build a new facility for Apple's newly designed equipment.

55 posted on 01/11/2016 10:26:54 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue....)
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To: Swordmaker

What a liberal lying Apple propagandist you are: “[Apple]...sold the only profitable tablets...”

The Microsoft surface has been profitable, yet, you liberals, myopic as you idiots are, claim only Apple makes profit on tablets. Not even the communists were so bold as to spread such nasty and easily verifiable propaganda as that.


56 posted on 01/11/2016 10:27:53 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: mac_truck
"Good DISINFORMATION (READ:LIES) information, thanks for posting,"

Fixed it for ya.

57 posted on 01/11/2016 10:29:04 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam should be banned and treated as a criminal enterprise!)
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To: SunkenCiv
Oh, there are older companies which are very reliable investments. If I’d bought the shares prior to the split a few years ago — I couldn’t, I needed the money out of the acc’t — I’d have done very well. Of course, I didn’t have much in the account. Right now the IRA is where I’ve got this AAPL investment.

At the time of the split, it was around $70. . . then it went up from there. So anyone who bought right after the split is still OK.

58 posted on 01/11/2016 10:33:24 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue....)
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To: Swordmaker

#52 Are you sure you are not a slavemaster in sector 7G overseeing the iPhone, iMac production line staffed by children? : )


59 posted on 01/11/2016 10:41:36 AM PST by minnesota_bound
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To: CodeToad
The Microsoft surface has been profitable, yet, you liberals, myopic as you idiots are, claim only Apple makes profit on tablets. Not even the communists were so bold as to spread such nasty and easily verifiable propaganda as that.

The Microsoft Surface caused Microsoft to take a $900 Million Write off.

It is going to take several years of the profits they may be making now, to catch up on almost a BILLION dollars of loss before they show a profit, CodeToad.

The new version is a hybrid, and cannot be truthfully called a "tablet". . . not with the majority of the battery capacity in the keyboard. Three hour battery? Give me a break when the competition is heading toward 15 hours? That means Microsoft never seriously intended the "tablet" portion to be a stand-alone device separate from the keyboard, and they have never advertised it as such.

Again, look at the chart. No profits, at least in the phones.

60 posted on 01/11/2016 10:46:34 AM PST by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue....)
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