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Could heart disease in the South be a lingering effect of the American Civil War?
National Post ^ | January 5, 2016 | Carolyn Y. Johnson, Washington Post

Posted on 01/06/2016 2:07:30 PM PST by rickmichaels

A map of deaths from heart disease reveals the American South ablaze in red; of the 10 states with the highest rate of death from heart disease among white people in 2010, all but two are below the Mason-Dixon line.

To Richard Steckel, an Ohio State University economist, that striking pattern raises a seemingly outlandish, but utterly serious question: Could the heavy toll of heart disease in the American South today have been triggered, in part, by the region's rapid rise out poverty since the 1950s?

In a new paper, Steckel argues that decades of poverty caused by the Civil War shaped people's organs and physiology in a way that left them particularly unsuited for a cushy life. The current health disparities in the South, Steckel says, developed as Southerners encountered more prosperous lifestyle than their bodies were prepared for, including more food and less manual labour.

"Several generations of poverty from the Civil War onwards: You had mothers, grandmothers, great grandmothers, whose offspring - I won't say learned - but received signals, anticipating a lean world," Steckel said. "The Civil War is not over. Intergenerational ripples of the Civil War are still with us in the South."

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; History
KEYWORDS: civilwar
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To: rickmichaels

Yeah yeah yeah, everything gets fried, but don’t forget - after that it gets dipped in Ranch dressing!


61 posted on 01/06/2016 4:23:11 PM PST by To Hell With Poverty (All freedom must be transported in bottles of 3 oz or less. - Freeper relictele)
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To: catnipman

You may have a point with regard to Britain and Germany, and France as well. Large percentages of the young male population, and likely the most fit ones, died in the two World Wars. While the loss of American lives in World War II was significant, at about 330,000, the Civil War cost almost double that number, with a far smaller population base.


62 posted on 01/06/2016 4:23:39 PM PST by Wallace T.
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To: catnipman

Ignorant Fool post of the day. A cut and paste from the comments on the link.

Definite signs of a public school “education”.


63 posted on 01/06/2016 4:29:11 PM PST by Original Lurker
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To: BenLurkin
Southerners. Black, white, still southerners,

Your point?

64 posted on 01/06/2016 4:30:39 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Ken H

That the skin color of those southerners who have heart disease simply doesn’t matter. They are still southerners.


65 posted on 01/06/2016 4:33:34 PM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: rickmichaels

It must be the fried foods. Fried Foods are on the Food wheel are they not? We fry everything. Sometimes even using LARD! Fried foods and Tex-Mex are more than likely the cause of the high death rate from HD. But never gonna give up my chicken fried steak!


66 posted on 01/06/2016 4:41:01 PM PST by V K Lee (u TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP to TRIUMPH Follow the lead MAKE AMERICA GREAT)
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To: BenLurkin
Blacks have a higher death rate from heart disease than other ethnicities. Blacks make up a higher % of the population in the South vs other areas of the country.

Seems logical the South would have higher rates because of the above facts.

67 posted on 01/06/2016 4:41:48 PM PST by Ken H
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To: huldah1776

I’m a dead-serious Twinkie! These derned “Jihadists” have
located training camps all over the U.S.; several right
here in Tennessee. They dress up in “jihad” outfits, of
course, cover their heads and faces, crawl around these
woods like a bunch of paranoid snakes and act like all
round ASSES. If they come crawling around out here in our
woods and our neighbors’ woods; they’re more likely than
not to get a snootful of lead from the guy next door
before Twinkie can even get her old revolver aimed. -
That is, if the snakes in the pit out front don’t get
them first. - Twinkie & Fang will practice the three
“S” strategy - SHOOT, SHOVEL & SHUT UP. We’ll help our
neighbors with any extra shoveling they have to do.
(This crawling around in the woods is stupid and a sign of
inbreeding! With all these copperheads and rattlesnakes out
here; there is no way I’d crawl through these woods. Fang
has killed well over 30 vipers in the 30 yrs. we’ve been
out here!)


68 posted on 01/06/2016 4:42:19 PM PST by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: Original Lurker

“Ignorant Fool post of the day. A cut and paste from the comments on the link. Definite signs of a public school ‘education’.”

Uh, what?


69 posted on 01/06/2016 4:46:54 PM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Twinkie

My bro is near Nashville. I love the south. Born in the Bronx but always been a country girl. Lived in Spfld MO for 13 yrs (its a north/south town) but when I moved to NC for 2 yrs I was soooo content. Hearing “Have a blessed day” was soothing to my heart. I say it now up here north of philly. Hasn’t caught on yet though. :)


70 posted on 01/06/2016 5:00:58 PM PST by huldah1776
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To: vetvetdoug

Since my family line comes in part from Russia, right before WWII, I have some deadly genes.


71 posted on 01/06/2016 5:08:11 PM PST by Lazamataz (If the Oregon occupiers are occupying a National Wildlife REFUGE, are they not now REFUGEES?)
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To: lovesdogs

Oh, my gosh...

I remembered that passage from the first time I read the book because it was like the Sunday dinners I recall from childhood (well, not the three desserts, lol). I was sure it was in the front of the book...you know, when the Tarleton twins left and Scarlett went in to dinner. But it wasn’t there, and I started to get ticked off that I had an abridged copy, LOL.

But I flipped through and found it. “Mounds of green beans on flowered porcelain”.


72 posted on 01/06/2016 5:09:22 PM PST by CatherineofAragon ("Ted Cruz is the type of guy to swim across a moat with a knife in his teeth. He knows how to fight")
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To: lovesdogs; CatherineofAragon
I got my own copy of GWTW in high school (30+ years ago!) and have read it about once a year since. love the writing.

But, mentioning the culinary tidbits: truly Margaret Mitchell went into great detail when describing the traditional Southern meals...all the way into, through, and past the war. Certainly the pre-war descriptions were over-the-top as that's what their life was.

yummmmm...scalloped potatoes, mashed potatoes, mac & cheese....yummmm...your grandmother did the good stuff!

73 posted on 01/06/2016 5:19:00 PM PST by ZinGirl (kids in college....can't afford a tagline right now)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

already being done in my neck of the south. Nafta still eating jobs some places. In Philadelphia, Mississippi, a mayor was having to explain why the jobs the feds gave him a Million dollar grant to create, never materialized. The old US Motors building shuttered in the 90s when plant was moved to mexico, had a potential tenant renig on it’s promise of “green jobs” making cellulose pellets out of pond scum. Wait. that’s not all the joke, the mayor of Philadelphia, the town made famous by the murders of the three cilvil rights workers Scwerner, Chaney, and Goodman is black, and the city has a growing gang problem. The place is a study in irony. The Choctaw tribe has a big casino very near by. I occasionally visit the casino and I have been known to ask workers there if Pushmataha should have allied with Tecumseh when that chief tried to form a alliance to kick the white man out of the central area of America.


74 posted on 01/06/2016 5:53:20 PM PST by Boowhoknew
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To: sportutegrl

very true. My area has a LOT of Yankees who came here via the Department of Defense, served their term and NEVER WENT HOME. One of them I know looks like a liberal college “perfesser’ and uses the “N” word more than any native southerner I know. I keep telling him Detroit needs him back..


75 posted on 01/06/2016 5:58:13 PM PST by Boowhoknew
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To: thackney

“I could not possibly be associated with our desire to deep fry darn near everything...”
More then likely a combination of that and a decrease in physical work. A high fat diet is ok if you work it off.


76 posted on 01/06/2016 6:35:26 PM PST by MCF (If my home can't be my Castle, then it will be my Alamo.)
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To: huldah1776

Gosh. We do get some winter weather here; but no snow at all
this winter so far. Just cold now that it’s January. Jan. &
Feb. are pretty cold; but warm weather is never too far out
there. Ooh! I get cabin fever staying in too long at a time. - We do get some Muslims in TN. Not out here yet. -
If they go crawling around in our woods, there are some
out here will shoot first & ask questions later. - I ain’t
gonna mistreat nobody; but this “jihadist” crap went out of
style when Heck was a pup. - Peaceable people don’t need
military training camps where they wear head and face
coverings. - My people would be ashamed of Twinkie if she
wussed out; so Twinkie can’t wuss out.


77 posted on 01/06/2016 6:40:45 PM PST by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: catnipman

” ... which today seem to be populated from a gene pool equivalent to a stagnant, dried up pond full of dying tadpoles and carp.

And if you think about it, we might be able to trace the ongoing downfall of the U.S. to WWII.”

We ought to thank catnipman for the lovely imagery. And the assessment of the human gene pools in some other places. I agree.

But the conclusions drawn cannot be supported by the analysis, on many levels.

It assumes that a type of human exists that is “superior” in a general fashion. Not so. Some people are good at one task, others at something else. Success in one instance doesn’t mean success across the spectrum; there are only contingencies of the moment. Circumstances vary.

The United States suffered some 405,000 total deaths in the Second World War, out of a total population of some 133,000,000: unlikely to affect reproduction. To further diminish the impact of such losses, many men left growing families to enter service, or fathered children before deploying. Those who perished had sometimes already passed their genetic heritage to the next generation. For good or ill.

Cultural/social factors dominate genetic factors (and what the transmission of culture relies on, from one generation to the next, has yet to be decrypted). Increasingly true as warfare becomes more technological. Brawn means less, brains mean more. And “brains” does not always mean pure eggheaded intellect: individual prowess shrinks in importance, compared to abilities to understand group and system capabilities, and to create/reinforce team solidarity in the face of the adversary. Think of the crew of a warship or an aircraft. Trained groups, coupled with modern weapons, always outmatch individuals.


78 posted on 01/06/2016 6:51:10 PM PST by schurmann
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To: njslim

Brewer’s yeast turned into Marmite for B vitamin content would fix deficiencies.


79 posted on 01/06/2016 7:16:46 PM PST by Ozark Tom
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To: rickmichaels

Overeating, overweight, drinking, smoking, getting no exercise, and being too poor for medical advice, to not follow?


80 posted on 01/06/2016 7:22:14 PM PST by truth_seeker
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