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Watched it.
Researched it.
Watching it again.
Not a great guy, not a great family.
Is he guilty?
1 posted on 01/02/2016 9:59:00 PM PST by magglepuss
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To: magglepuss

Normally I’d say yes. But given the egregious Constitutional violations of the Wisconsin government in the John Doe investigations I can believe that that they would engage in an elaborate frame up that included murdering the reporter.


2 posted on 01/02/2016 10:02:41 PM PST by Fai Mao (Just a tropical gardiner chatting with friends)
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To: magglepuss

He’s been a sh!thead since the day he was born. Go research his life. We’re all better off with him behind bars.


3 posted on 01/02/2016 10:07:22 PM PST by Monitor ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-front for the urge to rule it." - H. L. Mencken)
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Weird. Me and the wife just binge-watched the series this week and watched the last one a couple hours ago. I’m sure we’re only seeing one side, but things really looked screwed up.

Portrayal of that kid’s first lawyer was deplorable.


4 posted on 01/02/2016 10:07:23 PM PST by mmichaels1970
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To: magglepuss

Who the hell is Steve Avery and why should I care?


6 posted on 01/02/2016 10:12:08 PM PST by Fungi
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I did the same. I would watch and re-watch parts to make sure I was not missing anything. Very strange case and even stranger circumstances.

So many unanswered questions. Why put the body in the back of the vehicle? Why hide the vehicle on your own land when you have a car crusher available? Why did the sheriffs department find all these magic clues after the area had been searched over several times easily? The ashes were moved? The sheriff departments questioning of the nephew?

When they could not get the nephew to say she was shot in the head they finally had to tell him she was? The nephew asking if he would be back at school at 1:29 because he had a project due?

I think I'll re-watch it again.

11 posted on 01/02/2016 10:16:32 PM PST by BBell
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To: magglepuss

Not sure, but I feel bad for his parents.


15 posted on 01/02/2016 10:20:08 PM PST by gattaca (Republicans believe every day is July 4, democrats believe every day is April 15. Ronald Reagan)
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To: magglepuss

Finally some FReepers are ready to discuss this. I watched an episode a night over the holidays.

That poor kid. I have a special needs boy. The way he was dealt with made me so angry.


44 posted on 01/02/2016 10:46:50 PM PST by Yaelle (Since PC is not actually "correct," it should be renamed Political Pandering.)
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To: magglepuss

I think he’s most probably guilty but what happened with the young nephew bothers the heck out of me. I don’t think the murder went down the way the prosecution laid it out. That’s why it seems so sketchy.

I did toy with the idea that the older brother of the nephew could have been the guilty one and not Avery but ultimately I’ve decided Avery did it. I also wondered if The Innocence Project were the ones that had caused the hole in the vile of blood when they were working his previous conviction. Also interesting that The Innocence Project turned him down for this case, that says a lot, in my opinion.

The prosecution was shoddy and I don’t believe they proved the case, even though I believe Steven guilty. The documentary was meant to lead viewers in one direction or at least muddy the water and so they leave out information that would help satisfy our questions.


73 posted on 01/03/2016 12:20:18 AM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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To: magglepuss

Hard to know about Steve. Government - definitely guilty.


75 posted on 01/03/2016 12:32:35 AM PST by tinyowl (A equals A, And C Edmund Wright thinks I am an idiot and a Trump Sycophant)
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To: magglepuss
Seems that everyone with access to Netflix binge-watched a dramatic series and has now formed very important opinions about the entire American justice system as a whole. Plus, their feelings about it are important to them.

Then we wonder how dullards keep electing charlatans to high office.

Just napalm and cluster bomb the entire county of Manitowoc-ewewac-amuc Wisconsin (or whatever it's called) and be done with it. Everyone and everything there is guilty, including the cat that Steve Avery threw in a campfire.

78 posted on 01/03/2016 1:00:40 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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Is he guilty? That’s the question that wasn’t answered because the documentary provided evidence that events surrounding the trial produced reasonable doubt. So the answer is until he is not guilty until he receives a fair trial untainted by evidence produced by those who framed him the first time he was accused of the crime of rape.


83 posted on 01/03/2016 2:48:50 AM PST by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: magglepuss

You betcha!


87 posted on 01/03/2016 5:24:11 AM PST by tom paine 2
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To: magglepuss

Is he guilty?
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Based on what I saw and heard on Netflix, neither Steven Avery nor his nephew, Brendan Dassey, is guilty of murder. On the other hand, law enforcement officers, prosecutors, judges and juries are all culpable in these apparent miscarriages of justice.


88 posted on 01/03/2016 6:52:27 AM PST by lakecumberlandvet (APPEASEMENT NEVER WORKS.)
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To: magglepuss

The question isn’t whether he’s innocent or guilty. It’s whether he was accorded due process under law. He was tried. Evidence was presented, testimony was given and rebutted. Rulings were made, and ultimately, the decision was handed over to a jury, which returned a verdict.

That the verdict was “guilty beyond a shadow of doubt” is absurd, given the evidence we saw in the documentary. But due process was served, and that’s as close as we get to “justice” in this system.

You should also note that the state appellate and supreme courts denied his requests for a retrial, so the case has been thoroughly reviewed.

Be careful of “trial by camera.”


89 posted on 01/03/2016 6:55:04 AM PST by IronJack
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To: magglepuss
Hi. Like you, my husband and I binge-watched the entire documentary. Re: the cat, he was a stupid kid who was hanging out with a rough crowd at the time and he tossed the cat over the fire....it didn't make it over the fire. Not excusing his stupidity and cruelty but it isn't the same as dropping the cat in a fire. There is no further evidence of animal cruelty.

The first case against him was absolutely a wrongful conviction and set up. IIRC, the prosecution withheld evidence from the defense and DNA eventually exonerated him but 18 years in prison because he refused to admit guilt. His sister said for everything he was, he would always fess up when he did something and the fact that he wouldn't was her first indication he was innocent. A 36 million dollar wrongful conviction suit was filed and the Sheriff's office took it very personal. He was forced to settle for just under half a million because he needed to hire counsel. The police department tried to tell the SO they had the wrong guy from the start and the SO buried it. It was shortly after the lawsuit was filed that the dead girl's vehicle was found on his property, in a very strange place and with tree limbs tossed over it. The victim's Aunt found the vehicle and her behavior on the stand was downright bizarre. A Sheriff's officer who was involved in both cases called dispatch a couple of days before the vehicle was found on Avery's property and read the missing girl's plate to the dispatcher. The dispatcher advised it was the plate of the missing girl. When questioned, the SO "didn't recall" calling dispatch.

The car key found on the floor was the most alarming aspect. It wasn't there when the place was originally tossed, as testified to by another officer but miraculously showed up when they went back....and was pointed to by a detective involved in the original case - all the while the Sheriff's office was to have no involvement in this case as ordered by the court (by someone, anyway).

Brandon is in my mind, functionally retarded and absolutely was railroaded into saying whatever they needed him to say. His mother is barely more intelligent, as is most of the family. She did not know her rights or that of her son's.

We both feel the Avery's are innocent.

94 posted on 01/03/2016 10:29:49 AM PST by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
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To: stylecouncilor

Ping


103 posted on 01/03/2016 12:31:17 PM PST by windcliff
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To: magglepuss

Of murder, Avery is guilty as hell. The movie deleted an amazing amount of evidence to make him look like a choir boy.

I know a lot of people who covered his murder trial and they are angry as hell over the movie.


120 posted on 01/04/2016 10:27:40 PM PST by MediaMole
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To: magglepuss

The two specific offers who were told to stay away were the only ones who found the specific evidence.


129 posted on 01/06/2016 10:39:24 AM PST by Yaelle (Since PC is not actually "correct," it should be renamed Political Pandering.)
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To: magglepuss

The bullet found months later in the garage, by the sheriffs, who had the gun in custody all those months.


130 posted on 01/06/2016 10:40:28 AM PST by Yaelle (Since PC is not actually "correct," it should be renamed Political Pandering.)
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