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Nazi Germany’s Panzer Corps Faked It ‘Til It Made It
War is Boring ^ | December 27, 2015 | David Axe

Posted on 12/28/2015 10:27:21 AM PST by C19fan

The terms of the Versailles Treaty that ended World War I prohibited Germany from joining Great Britain, France and other major powers in developing tanks — those heavily-armed, thickly-armored tracked vehicles that had debuted late in the conflict and had helped to break the stalemate of trench warfare.

But the tank ban didn’t actually stop Nazi Germany from inventing new tanks and refining tactics for their use. Instead, the treaty limitations pushed German armored vehicle development into the military-industrial shadows. In the decades before Panzers swept across Europe and the Soviet Union, the Panzerwaffe armored corps evolved in secrecy.

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: armored; davidaxe; germany; tanks; warfare; warisboring; ww2
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To: raybbr

It’s just such an unimaginative language though. I mean, yes, technically you can describe gloves as “hand-shoes” and it is perfectly sensible, but I think any other nation would have figured that invention merited dreaming up a new word. The Germans couldn’t be bothered!


41 posted on 12/28/2015 11:45:37 AM PST by Boogieman
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To: TTFlyer

“Nations, as America is discovering, pay dearly for inept, narcissistic, dictatorial leadership.”

History repeats itself over and over.


42 posted on 12/28/2015 11:58:23 AM PST by redfreedom (Voting for the lesser of two evils is still voting for evil.)
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To: central_va

yep.......


43 posted on 12/28/2015 12:02:48 PM PST by Squantos ( Be polite, be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet ...)
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To: central_va
"It's like hitting them with tennis balls!"


44 posted on 12/28/2015 12:08:49 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is simply majoritarianism. It is incompatible with real freedom.)
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To: raybbr
Ausgezeichnet!

My favorite German word.

45 posted on 12/28/2015 12:12:20 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is simply majoritarianism. It is incompatible with real freedom.)
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To: C19fan
I thought Guderian literately wrote the book on tank warfare with Achtung Panzer.
46 posted on 12/28/2015 12:14:02 PM PST by Rummyfan (Let us now try liberty)
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To: ClearCase_guy
"Military-industrial shadows"?

29 July 1922 A secret clause was added to the Russo-German Treaty of Rapallo, allowing German troops to train with heavy weapons, something disallowed by the Versailles Treaty, in Soviet territory. Aircraft training was also conducted.

47 posted on 12/28/2015 12:14:47 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: central_va

Sehr gut.


48 posted on 12/28/2015 12:17:25 PM PST by PAR35
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To: central_va

There’s a Russian word - I forget the word and meaning - but when the instructor wrote it out it in normal sized Russian script it went from one side of a 10 foot blackboard to the other 4.5 times.

The German one in the image would not even fill half the first line.


49 posted on 12/28/2015 12:18:23 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: central_va
Little known fact is that Jap tanks had good optics...

Funny thing is they make such good cameras....

50 posted on 12/28/2015 12:19:11 PM PST by Rummyfan (Let us now try liberty)
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To: miliantnutcase
As scary and awesome as the Tiger was they should have put those resources into Panzer IV development

That notion has been made by other sources. Germany might have been able to prolong the war, but it still didn't have the resources to crank out arms/materiel like the Allies. Therefore many other experts, including Churchill, concluded Germany was defeated as soon as it declared war on the U.S.

51 posted on 12/28/2015 12:21:46 PM PST by driftless2 (For long term happiness, learn how to play the accordion)
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To: Boogieman

Geschwindigkeitsbeschrankungen: speed limits.
A person who wears gloves to throw snowballs: Handschuhschneeballwerfer.
A man who pees sitting down: Sitzpinkler.

Donaudampfschiffahrtselektrizitatenhaupt-betriebswerkbauunterbeamtengesellschaft: the association for subordinate officials of the head office management of the Danube steamboat electrical services, of course/


52 posted on 12/28/2015 12:25:32 PM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: uglybiker
And "don't touch" translates to nogefingerpoken.
53 posted on 12/28/2015 12:30:50 PM PST by sparklite2 ( "The white man is the Jew of Liberal Fascism." -Jonah Goldberg)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“While the Sherman tank couldn’t hold a candle to the German tanks”

Could not hold a candle too the very best of German tanks... which they had very few of. The tanks that the Germans actually had decent numbers of the Sherman was very competitive with. Combine that with APCR ammo and the stabilized gun and the Sherman was to be feared. Even by Tigers. The Sherman could flank it while firing on the move with its stabilized gun. If there were several of them a Tiger was in deep trouble. It had better hope the infantry anti tank guns kept it from getting flanked 8 ways to sunday.

Now if we had to go up against the late war Soviet tanks, in great numbers, with M4s... well that would have been bad. I think teaching them the right way to mass produce stuff was a big mistake. The lessons they learned with Lend Lease extended the Cold war at least 20 years.


54 posted on 12/28/2015 12:39:43 PM PST by TalonDJ
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To: raybbr

German is fun...but complicated. Except the word “doch”. I miss not having it in English.


55 posted on 12/28/2015 12:47:22 PM PST by JeanLM (Obama proves melanin is just enough to win elections)
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To: raybbr

But when I hear Germans speak they sound like they are trying to clear their throats. Expect them to launch a luggie any time.


56 posted on 12/28/2015 12:49:23 PM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: tumblindice

Thanks!


57 posted on 12/28/2015 12:54:03 PM PST by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: central_va

I think you and Miliant are think of the V, the Panther...


58 posted on 12/28/2015 12:58:24 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: Axenolith; central_va

Note to self, post quickly on FR tank threads ;-)


59 posted on 12/28/2015 1:02:12 PM PST by Axenolith (Government blows, and that which governs least, blows least...)
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To: central_va
I remember seeing a WWII documentary showing planes strafing German tanks. The planes would aim just under the front of the tank so the bullets would bounce up into the tank. Apparently it was an effective tactic against Tigers.

I actually found a short video clip on YouTube.

60 posted on 12/28/2015 1:02:27 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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