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Nazi Germany’s Panzer Corps Faked It ‘Til It Made It
War is Boring ^ | December 27, 2015 | David Axe

Posted on 12/28/2015 10:27:21 AM PST by C19fan

The terms of the Versailles Treaty that ended World War I prohibited Germany from joining Great Britain, France and other major powers in developing tanks — those heavily-armed, thickly-armored tracked vehicles that had debuted late in the conflict and had helped to break the stalemate of trench warfare.

But the tank ban didn’t actually stop Nazi Germany from inventing new tanks and refining tactics for their use. Instead, the treaty limitations pushed German armored vehicle development into the military-industrial shadows. In the decades before Panzers swept across Europe and the Soviet Union, the Panzerwaffe armored corps evolved in secrecy.

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TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: armored; davidaxe; germany; tanks; warfare; warisboring; ww2
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To: 2banana

The other thing the Germans had going for them was how Stalin had purged the Red Army of its best generals because they were a threat to his regime and because he didn’t like their politics.

Just like how Obama has replaced a generation of effective military leaders with homosexuals, lesbians, and racially sensitive types who don’t know a muzzle from a breach.


21 posted on 12/28/2015 11:09:25 AM PST by MeganC (The Republic of The United States of America: 7/4/1776 to 6/26/2015 R.I.P.)
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To: raybbr

22 posted on 12/28/2015 11:09:38 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

See what I mean? The word is actually less letters than the translation and means exactly the same thing.

Ausgezeichnet!


23 posted on 12/28/2015 11:12:23 AM PST by raybbr (Obamacare needs a deatha panel)
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To: miliantnutcase

The Germans overdeveloped their tanks that took too much time and too much resources to build. While the Sherman tank couldn’t hold a candle to the German tanks, the US could pump them out by the thousands ans overwhelm the Germans with shear numbers.


24 posted on 12/28/2015 11:13:44 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There's a right to gay marriage in the Constitution but there is no right of an unborn baby to life.)
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To: raybbr
The Awful German Language (1) by Mark Twain
25 posted on 12/28/2015 11:14:04 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: MNJohnnie

The panzers had better optics too.


26 posted on 12/28/2015 11:17:15 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: central_va

Which is why in Germany a brassiere is a ‘keepemfromfloppin’. :-p


27 posted on 12/28/2015 11:17:45 AM PST by uglybiker (nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-nuh-BATMAN!)
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To: tumblindice

Little known fact is that Jap tanks had good optics.


28 posted on 12/28/2015 11:18:18 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: MNJohnnie

Not just radios but FM radios. The Germans had clear voice communications in every tank. For them it must have been like fighting against armies of blind men.


29 posted on 12/28/2015 11:18:34 AM PST by SeeSharp
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To: xp38

http://strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/PANZERKAMPFWAGEN%20VIII%20MAUS.htm

Checkout the Maus.


30 posted on 12/28/2015 11:20:05 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: tumblindice

The Russians have one in their armor museum at Kubinka.


31 posted on 12/28/2015 11:34:28 AM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: SeeSharp
The Russians didn't have comm until very late in the war. In 41-43 they just sent divisions out with orders. If the battle changed, they never did because they had no way of communicating nor could they stray from original orders.

If Hitler had listened to Guderian in the fall of 1941 that campaign would have ended strikingly different.

32 posted on 12/28/2015 11:35:04 AM PST by Reagan Disciple (Peace through Strength)
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To: 2banana

And radios. Germans had the neck radios that allowed better coordination.


33 posted on 12/28/2015 11:36:42 AM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: C19fan

If Germany had had the economic and industrial rescources of the United States it would rule the world today. Imagine the effect 20,000 Tigers backed by 50,000 aircraft would have had on the Barbarossa campaign

Instead, the German leadership stupidly took on the world with a tiny fraction of the funds and materiel needed, and ended up wasting one the world’s greatest armed forces ever fielded. A catastrophe engineered by soul-less bureaucrats that destroyed one of the most advanced societies on earth.

Nations, as America is discovering, pay dearly for inept, narcissistic, dictatorial leadership.


34 posted on 12/28/2015 11:38:01 AM PST by TTFlyer
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To: PLMerite

Russian front, yes. Meanwhile we made 11,000 (!!) tanks in four years of war, turning one out every 4.5 hours


35 posted on 12/28/2015 11:38:05 AM PST by LS ("Castles Made of Sand, Fall in the Sea . . . Eventually" (Hendrix))
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To: uglybiker
And what the media does to Obama is "splootgeschlurpen"...
36 posted on 12/28/2015 11:39:16 AM PST by kiryandil ("When Muslims in the White House are outlawed, only Barack Obama will be an outlaw")
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To: wally_bert
Nobody said nothing about locking horns with tigers!

Always with the negative waves, Moriarity!"

37 posted on 12/28/2015 11:40:10 AM PST by OldMissileer (Atlas, Titan, Minuteman, PK. Winners of the Cold War)
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To: xp38
Exactly but they seemed to have a fetish over size

Yep. And take a look at the Panzer VIII Maus. The Tiger weighed about 70 tons. The Maus weighed about 190 tons! The Soviets cranked out thousands of T-34's. The Germans built two Maus tanks. One reason the Russkies beat 'em.

The Maus

38 posted on 12/28/2015 11:42:51 AM PST by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Riley

Hitler liked to throw work Ferdinand Porsche’s way, I suppose due to the success of his `People’s Car’ but his tanks—not so good.
His turret for the Tiger V was rejected, along with his suspension and his `Elefant’ was swarmed at Kursk by Roosies because he didn’t put machine guns on it.
He tried to make up for his failings after the war. Conscripted by Renault, he put in design defects that killed more Frenchmen than his panzers ever did.


39 posted on 12/28/2015 11:43:25 AM PST by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives.)
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To: central_va
Unless they out numbered the Tiger more the 6 to 1; Runaway!

Unless you could ram the Tiger with your T-34 like at Kursk


40 posted on 12/28/2015 11:45:13 AM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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