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1 posted on 12/04/2015 12:28:41 AM PST by fulltlt
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“Anyone have a good comeback for this?”

I’m surprised you find this difficult. Off the top of my shiny head.

The right to own guns is clearly in the constitution, and everyone in this country gets healthcare. Ever hear of Medicaid?

There is something wrong with a political party that wants the people to turn all of their personal responsibility’s over to the govt.

There is something wrong with a political party that doesn’t understand the difference between a right and a personal responsibility.

There is something wrong with people who want the government to take care of them.

There is something wrong with people who think everything they need should be provided by others.

If healthcare is a right that must be provided by the govt, then the 2nd amendment requires the govt to buy us guns.


55 posted on 12/04/2015 4:12:13 AM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (It's the apocalypse, lets have some fun!)
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Both are rights limited only by your income.


56 posted on 12/04/2015 4:19:16 AM PST by cuban leaf (The US will not survive the obama presidency. The world may not either.)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rv7ZXLU51Hs


57 posted on 12/04/2015 4:22:14 AM PST by Anubis304 (freedom..use it or loose it)
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"There's something wrong with a country that thinks that healthcare is a privilege but owning a gun is a right".

The 2nd Amendment is a constraint on Government, just like most of the "Bill of Rights" and besides it is a right NOT a grant, you can have a gun, you are not furnished with one!

Government Health Care (GHC) is a grant, it forces Government to do something, thus becoming more intrusive and more antithetical to individual freedom. Taken to its logical conclusion, the grant of Government to provide universal health care would mean total government control over all actions that may cause health problems, now or in the future. Think of the expansion of the power of the EPA in the decades since Richard Nixon created it.

Thus the 2nd Amendment is a limited, individual and singular restraint on power while GHC is an unlimited expansion of government power.

58 posted on 12/04/2015 4:29:03 AM PST by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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“There’s something wrong with a person who can’t understand the Constitution.”


59 posted on 12/04/2015 4:30:06 AM PST by Gaffer
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Have them point to the section of the constitution that talks about healthcare ...

Have them point to the section of the constitution that talks about guns ...

60 posted on 12/04/2015 4:30:17 AM PST by dartuser
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Both are products that one has a right to produce and/or purchase.


62 posted on 12/04/2015 4:35:49 AM PST by all the best
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Because the reverse has NEVER worked, ANY TIME in history.


64 posted on 12/04/2015 4:42:42 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2017; I pray we make it that long.)
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Sure- the ingenious founders of our country knew the government itself could not fully protect us, and public healthcare would not protect us from the more immediate threat of government dependency and oppression.


66 posted on 12/04/2015 4:50:25 AM PST by mikeus_maximus
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Health care IS a right....health insurance isn’t.


67 posted on 12/04/2015 5:42:01 AM PST by Repulican Donkey
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As a Catholic, the Gospel teaches us that health-care is part of the body of works of charity, even when it is done for hire (the worker is worthy of his hire). And defense of one's own life and the lives of those entrusted to him by God is always and everywhere a good thing.

Not all Catholics, especially in the hierarchy, agree with this assessment.
68 posted on 12/04/2015 5:52:03 AM PST by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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The constitution allows individual rights, it does not prohibit them. The preamble states: promote the general welfare. It does not say provide the individual with welfare. It also does not say provide the individual defense, it says provide for common defense. It does not restrict individuals from doing things for themselves. The 2nd and other amendments place restrictions on government to prevent it from interfering with certain individual rights.

Obamacare places restrictions on what individuals are allowed to do gor themselves by limiting healthcare options by controlling the types of treatments that doctors can be paid for.


71 posted on 12/04/2015 6:34:26 AM PST by Real Cynic No More (Border Fence Obamacare!)
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People who can’t defend themselves are akin to de-clawed cats. From that moment on they are kept animals, confined to the ‘safe space’ designated by their ‘owner.’


72 posted on 12/04/2015 6:36:29 AM PST by RobinOfKingston (Just what is the difference between a "centrist democrat" and a "moderate republican?")
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Healthcare won’t stop the march of tyranny.


73 posted on 12/04/2015 7:13:34 AM PST by GingisK
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I would suggest that rule number one is, NEVER except a leftist premise. There a number of implicit falsehoods in the statement. Some have already been mentioned here but I would like to add a couple of observations.

People who say things such as "There's something wrong with a country that thinks that healthcare is a privilege but owning a gun is a right" are also people who believe there ought to be no such thing as private property.

I would also point out that the statement presupposes a morality. It is a twisted, contorted and imaginary morality for which leftists and progressives have no foundation, but that doesn't seem to stop them from wanting to impose it on everyone else. What foundation or basis do leftists have that authorizes them to categorize ANYTHING as "wrong". They certainly don't believe in natural rights as the Founders did. I would want to know how they account for this morality that they want to impose on everyone (except themselves) by government force.

Cordially,

74 posted on 12/04/2015 7:43:24 AM PST by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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It's hard to answer a bumper sticker slogan like this, because a good answer will span more than a bumper sticker.

However, what this guy is doing is being slippery with words. He wants to imply that health care should be a "right," just like owning a gun.

What he's done is use the same word, "right," in two different senses. The "right" to own a gun means I can legally walk into a gun store and buy one, with my own money.

What he wants is the "right" to walk into a doctor's office or a hospital and get health care using someone else's money.

If having to pay for health care myself makes it a "privilege," than paying for a gun myself is likewise a "privilege." If a "right" to health care means getting it at someone else's expense, then the "right" to own a gun means getting it at someone else's expense. The government ought to issue me a gun.

Always watch for this kind of weasel-wording when you run into the bumper sticker mentality.

I say there's something wrong with a country whose educational system doesn't educate people out of "bumper sticker thinking."

76 posted on 12/04/2015 11:21:36 AM PST by JoeFromSidney (,)
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