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Massive Windows 10 Update Has Three Nasty Surprises (Threshold 2 Problems)
Forbes (Tech) ^ | Nov 14, 2015 | Gordon Kelly

Posted on 11/15/2015 6:20:35 PM PST by dayglored

'Threshold 2', Microsoft's massive Windows 10 update has brought lots of very positive changes... But unfortunately it has also been dogged by familiar controversy.

Nasty Surprise #1: The 44% Bug

Users have been reporting installation issues ... it gets stuck at the 44% mark ... In the official Windows Forum, Microsoft explained it may be to do with SD card issues:

"We've observed that some devices that have an SD bus with an SD card inserted while installing the Windows 10 November update will stop responding at 44%, and we are currently investigating the issue."
Nasty Surprise #2: Deleting And Changing Default Programs

Threshold 2 is deleting a number of installed programs as it upgrades... CPU-Z, speccy, 8gadgetpack, a Cisco VPN client, SATA drivers, SpyBot, RSAT, F5 VPN, HWMonitor and more.

Of course these can be reinstalled... but 1. This shouldn't happen in the first place, and 2. There should be a warning in advance, not just after they were removed... Many are system monitoring tools. Has Microsoft something planned in this space for the future and is quietly removing the competition?

On top of this... Threshold 2 users are finding it has changed a number of default app choices back to Microsoft services.

Nasty Surprise #3: Forced Delays For Recent Upgraders

Quite surprisingly, Microsoft admits on its Windows Update FAQ that new Windows 10 users are being pushed to the back of the queue for the Threshold 2 Update:

"If it's been less than 31 days since you upgraded to Windows 10, you won't get the November update right away; this will allow you to go back to your previous version of Windows if you choose. After the 31 days have passed, your PC will automatically download the November update."

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet; Hobbies
KEYWORDS: threshold2; updates; windows; windows10; windowspinglist
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And remember folks, you can't turn these updates off long-term, or you lose support -- you gotta take 'em.
1 posted on 11/15/2015 6:20:35 PM PST by dayglored
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To: dayglored; Abby4116; afraidfortherepublic; aft_lizard; AF_Blue; Alas Babylon!; amigatec; ...
Problems with the big Windows 10 Update ... PING!

You can find all the Windows Ping list threads with FR search: just search on keyword "windowspinglist".

2 posted on 11/15/2015 6:21:35 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored
> And remember folks, you can't turn these updates off long-term, or you lose support -- you gotta take 'em.

Someone will of course point out that the above is true only for individual license users, not enterprise volume users. I wager that the vast majority of FReepers are on private computers, not enterprise domain systems.

Big businesses can delay, but not avoid eventually installing the updates.

3 posted on 11/15/2015 6:23:28 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

Edge is still deficient and has features that are a step backwards from internet explorer.


4 posted on 11/15/2015 6:24:22 PM PST by Keen-Minded
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To: dayglored

Have not updated to Window 10 two computers currently running windows 7 but about to do it. Any advice?


5 posted on 11/15/2015 6:24:31 PM PST by TruthWillWin (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples money.)
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To: dayglored

BTW I excerpted this rather a lot so as to be able to put something about all three “gotchas” in the excerpt. There’s considerable additional info at the article itself in Forbes.


6 posted on 11/15/2015 6:25:41 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: Keen-Minded
> Edge is still deficient and has features that are a step backwards from internet explorer.

I have found Edge to be both better and worse than its predecessor. But mostly I use Firefox on my Win10 systems and will continue doing so until Edge gets ready for prime time. I figure that's probably a year.

7 posted on 11/15/2015 6:27:05 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: TruthWillWin

I would recommend you wait awhile. There is no reason to hurry.


8 posted on 11/15/2015 6:27:38 PM PST by Keen-Minded
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To: TruthWillWin
> Have not updated to Window 10 two computers currently running windows 7 but about to do it. Any advice?

Personally I like Win7 better than Win10. I have to learn and be familiar with Win10 for my dayjob as a System Admin so I'm learning it. It's entirely usable (unlike Win8 which was not).

But my advice has been, and remains, "if you like Win7 and can't find much in Win10 that attracts you, stick with Win7. On the other hand if you're currently running Win8 or Win8.1, upgrade to Win10 at your best opportunity.:"

And do a complete system backup before upgrading anything!!

9 posted on 11/15/2015 6:29:41 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

I agree, I have windows 10 on a laptop for testing and windows 7 running on my desktops.


10 posted on 11/15/2015 6:30:35 PM PST by Keen-Minded
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To: Keen-Minded; TruthWillWin
> I would recommend you wait awhile. There is no reason to hurry.

Correct.

The "free upgrade" offer is good until July 2016. And Win7 doesn't lose support (security patches) until Jan 2020. No rush.

11 posted on 11/15/2015 6:31:27 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

Apple or linux is now free to make another accurate 1984 type ad again. Too much material here to just pass up.


12 posted on 11/15/2015 6:31:30 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: TruthWillWin
'....Have not updated to Window 10 two computers currently running windows 7 but about to do it. Any advice?...."

I upgraded my Win7 laptop with no issues....very happy with it- I used to have some problems with Chrome on Win 7....not any more.

I would say do it....

13 posted on 11/15/2015 6:32:08 PM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: dayglored

Call me naive but what is an SD thingy? And these updates...are these the November monthly updates or for sometime in the future?


14 posted on 11/15/2015 6:32:34 PM PST by hsmomx3 (GO STEELERS!!!!!!)
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To: TruthWillWin

Stay with Win-7.


15 posted on 11/15/2015 6:35:43 PM PST by Carriage Hill ( The cheddar cheese slid off my cracker on 11/6/12.)
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To: hsmomx3
> Call me naive but what is an SD thingy?

It's a type of small-form-factor memory card, common in digital cameras and other devices that make files themselves (like picture files) for transfer to a PC. They're about the size of a postage stamp depending on the particular variant (standard, mini, micro).

> And these updates...are these the November monthly updates or for sometime in the future?

This one (Threshold 2) is the first big update for Windows 10. Sorta like what used to be called a "major feature update" or "Service Pack".

Microsoft has declared that from now and forever more, Windows will be "Windows" and Windows 10 is "the last release of Windows". So from now on, everything is an upgrade to Windows 10. There will be no Windows 11, or so they say.

And the monthly updates you know from Windows XP and Win7 -- not for Windows 10. They will be anytime at all, continuously. And you MUST take them if you're a regular home or small business user. No choice.

16 posted on 11/15/2015 6:39:49 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: TruthWillWin

Make an image backup (other than Windows image backup) in case the Win10 goes south.

Or, if you decide to return to 7 later.

I upgraded 7 to 10 on an extra hard drive. I have another Win7 on another hard drive, which I now use. I did not like Win10 at all. If they restore the classic theme, I will consider it. Until then, I am sticking with 7.


17 posted on 11/15/2015 6:40:41 PM PST by TomGuy
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> If they restore the classic theme, I will consider it.

Don't hold your breath.

18 posted on 11/15/2015 6:41:39 PM PST by dayglored ("Listen. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.")
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To: dayglored

Thanks. Since I already have the November updates installed, I was curious.


19 posted on 11/15/2015 6:42:26 PM PST by hsmomx3 (GO STEELERS!!!!!!)
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To: dayglored

As the resident Win guru, a question on upgrading to Win10.

I still have the GWX icon on my taskbar and clicking it shows all is set and I should wait for MS notice.

Question: what is best method to actually upgrade without waiting for MS?

Thanks!


20 posted on 11/15/2015 6:44:14 PM PST by newfreep (TRUMP/Cruz 2016 - "Evil succeeds when good men do nothing" - Edmund Burke)
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