Prepare for incoming.
Trump is not a conservative.
He is running as a populist.
there is often a lot of overlap between populist and conservative.
I’m not demeaning your want of a true conservative to vote for. And, my personal choice BTW IS Cruz. I can only relate to you what I have seen and know with respect to Cruz and his feelings on Trump.
It boils down to this. As long as Cruz isn’t worried about Trump, I am not, either. Further, there have been recent reports that Cruz has said Trump’s candidacy has been good for him. How can you argue with that?
So, while my end game hopes for a Cruz win, I am not about to fall prey to this Trump hatred and constant hand-wringing about if he is or isn’t a conservative and “lordy me, what are we to do about it.”
We have enough deranged nuts (not you, BTW) on this forum who try daily to slip in some Trump hatred thread that are mainly vile, divisive and diversionary - most without some real other options, and when they don’t get their way, they say “you’re voting for Hillary, then.” Rubbish.
You and I and some other Freepers hate the GOP E, but we love the truth and we love the country more than we hate the GOP E. A lot of folks obviously hate the GOP e more than they care about the truth. It feels good to support the guy who seems able to shove it back in the face of the GOP e more than anyone.
But ironically, he has been left of the GOP e on most things until very recently, and he still swerves that way if you listen carefully to what he says.
And then there’s the cult of personality thing to consider.
I’m 100% for Cruz. But I can support Trump.
The key is to defeat Rinos. We must first defeat the close enemy before we can attack the far enemy.
Trump uupsets the whole d.c. applecart. That is likely a net good.
1. Trump can win. There are polls showing him beating Hillary. There are no polls showing Cruz doing the same.
2. Cruz will not deport the illegals. Trump will. Cruz has repeatedly refused to give a straight answer, only to say “we’ll have the conversation.” Which means no.
3. Trump is more shrewd when it comes to dealing with the GOPE. Cruz keeps losing to them over and over.
4. Trump can get people of all races and religions to vote for him. Cruz can only appeal to Southern Christians.
Cruz was Solicitor General of Texas and argued in front of the Supreme Court 11 times. How anyone can think he is not experienced is just crazy.
You selected a group of answers that ignores the prime reason for Trump support, IMO.
He clearly threatens the very GOPe that has been backstabbing conservatives for years.
No flames from me, but I perceive that you misunderestimate (which probably isn’t a real word) the anger in conservatives.
Populism is the result political leadership gets when they dis-serve their constituents.
Let’s put the r.i.n.o. Romney shoe on the populist Trump foot.
If Trump is the nominee, who will stamp their feet, and stay home or vote for Queen Hitlery?
You?
“I just don’t get this one.”
It’s not that complicated, old-timer. Here are the Cliff Notes:
My representative is Luke Messer. He replaced Mike Pence.
Both are fairly conservative Republicans.
Messer is in the tank for Boehner having accepted a committee chairman job from him.
And Boehner is a GOP-e, Demfriend, weak sister lick-spittle.
These are our heroes.
Whatever Trump is, he’s raising hell with both Dems and Repubs, or Uniparty.
The only other Republicans challenging the Obamanites or for that matter, the McLame wing of the GOP) are Darrell Issa and Trey Gowdy, and a handful of others, Sessions & Co. and—except for a lot of stuhrm und drang—neither one has accomplished jack.
Opinion,
Trump is probably paving the road for Cruz, but even if he isn’t I’ll take him over Heb, Rubi Scooby Doo or any of the other Beltway establishment picks.
Ronald Reagan was a Democrat until late in life, and most of us were GOP until, like Reagan, our party left us.
McCain and Romney were bad choices then and now.
Kind of a mish mash, but okey dokey?
a. You changed your mind about only supporting a conservative.
b. You were joking about only supporting a conservative.
c. You think Trump is the only conservative.
d. You forgot what a conservative is.
e. You just want to stir stuff up.
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F. None of the above. As there are no pure conservatives in the race, one is left to consider the most effective who will at least be able to carry out some conservative agendas, which vary in importance.
By the way, your “have you quit beating your wife yet” style of interrogatory is not only insulting, it is also feeble.
Incoming FRiendly fire. I’ve got your six, though.
Sorry, I don’t answer pre-loaded questions.
The whole point of my post was to needle those Freepers who made such a big deal of staying home in 2012, because, they said, they didn’t have a conservative option. I will not call them out by name because that violates the user agreement for posting.
I am not a Trump hater. I sincerely want to know why they would abandon their positions in this primary. There is a proven conservative that they are not supporting. If Trump does not get the nomination and they choose to stay home in the general, what reason will they give this time? Are they really conservatives or just playing one the internet?
All this other stuff is chaff. Why are things going the way they are with Trump? That is all I want to know.
It does it *no* good to vote in the perfect conservative if they can’t get anything done.
If I agreed with Carson on 100% of everything, I’d still choose Trump.
Why?
Because I cannot imagine Carson strong-arming China. I cannot imagine the ‘nice’ guy pushing and bullying congress into doing the right thing.
It boils down to the economy.
Without jobs and a thriving economy, NONE of the rest matters.
I am not voting for a husband. I already have one.
I am not voting for a ‘buddy’. I have several.
I am not voting for a rabbi. I already have one.
I AM VOTING FOR A FREAKING *LEADER*.
I want to vote for a man who can actually *do* something.
If Trump delivers on 10% of what he hopes to do, he’ll accomplish more than any conservative politician since Reagan.
If you are an honest person, you’ll watch this speech and you’ll understand what we see in him. It starts at minute 28:00.
(Doubt you’ll bother.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAbPS3UulGQ
I did a search in your post for the word -wall-. I go zero hits. That there is the reason why you have no clue.
“-Cruz is too inexperienced, he should wait a few years. (Trump has zero experience.) “
I haven’t heard the ‘inexperience’ argument. I have heard the ‘unlikely to win argument’. Cruz doesn’t have the name recognition and isn’t commanding enough support even among Republicans. So some of us moved to choice #2.
“-Trump is a rich, successful businessman. (So are George Soros and Tom Steyer.) “
Trump’s business success indicates his ability as an executive and an understanding of what business confronts in dealing with government. I’m not aware of why that would put him in the camp of Soros and Steyer any more than Romney’s wealth did.
“-Trump is more electable because he appeals to both sides. (John McCain likes to reach across the aisle.)”
The conflation of two different meanings of appeal. One sense being “liked” the other being “solicitation”.
“-Trump is not afraid to tell it like it is. (Almost nothing he says is original thought, it’s all been said before, many times.) “
Humble truths are like that. They are no less true for being unoriginal. It’s just uncommon to hear them coming from the mouth of someone running for office.
“So, fellow conservatives, in the spirit of helping a senile old man to understand, I ask “why?” To keep things simple for us old people please just pick one of the choices below. “
The choice that you didn’t include. He’s a patriot who has a fan club that includes Ted Cruz.
The racial purification of America is declared the only issue, since homosexuality is caused by not being northwestern European. It took northwestern Europeans to "invent" heterosexuality, marriage, conservatism, the family, and everything else. These things arose from Germanic/Celtic chromosomes, not from G-d A-mighty.
Trump is nothing in the world but a liberal who has decided to play the role of a "right wing" populist. He is the white Obama and he is trying to create a movement that corresponds to and reflects "BlackLivesMatter," "La Raza," etc.
No, I don't think Trump is a Nazi or anti-Jewish or anti-Israel, and I have been poo-pooing the fears of those who think a Trump presidency would actually be dangerous. But considering that he's been latched onto by the "White Panthers," I'm not so sure now. And I certainly don't believe he has the slightest concept of the separation of powers.
Outside the United States the Right has always been about glorification of the "blood and soil" of the "sacred motherland" (and there's a different one for everybody). Now the American Right is in danger of making the same ghastly mistake.