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Via handwriting analysis, scholar discovers unknown Magna Carta scribe
Phys dot Org ^ | September 2, 2015 | Angela Becerra Vidergar

Posted on 09/04/2015 2:06:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Eight hundred years ago, one of the world's most important documents was born. Issued by King John of England in 1215, the Magna Carta ("Great Charter") acknowledged the rights of citizens and set restrictions on the power of the king. The Magna Carta has influenced the structures of modern democracies, including the writ of habeas corpus of the U.S. Constitution...

According to Treharne, her research suggests the Salisbury Magna Carta was not just received and preserved at Salisbury, but that the Salisbury Magna Carta was written at Salisbury by one of the cathedral's own scribes. She recently co-published her findings with University of Glasgow historian Andrew Prescott...

Instead of the charter being something passive that the king produced and sent out from the central court to be put away in satellite locations, Treharne says versions of the charter "were written in the regions and then taken to the court for sealing by the king's Great Seal."

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Treharne made the unexpected discovery while working on a larger project profiling the rich archive of Salisbury Cathedral. She was analyzing texts in a book that belonged to Salisbury in about 1215 or 1220 when she noticed "that a couple of the scribes' work in that book looked very similar to that of the Magna Carta scribe."

In particular, she noted similarities in the handwriting of the Salisbury Magna Carta and a document called the Register of St. Osmund, which contains regulations, charters, writs and other documents pertaining to the cathedral.

The archive at Salisbury has not been digitized, so Treharne has been traveling there from Stanford for several years to examine the documents firsthand.

(Excerpt) Read more at phys.org ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: andrewprescott; elainetreharne; england; epigraphyandlanguage; godsgravesglyphs; habeascorpus; kingjohn; magnacarta; salisbury; salisburycathedral
Literary scholar Elaine Treharne painstakingly examined every letter and punctuation mark of the Salisbury Magna Carta in making her discovery about the document's origin. Credit: L.A. Cicero

Literary scholar Elaine Treharne painstakingly examined every letter and punctuation mark of the Salisbury Magna Carta in making her discovery about the document's origin. Credit: L.A. Cicero

1 posted on 09/04/2015 2:06:01 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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2 posted on 09/04/2015 2:07:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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...the Salisbury Magna Carta was written at Salisbury by one of the cathedral's own scribes.

Obviously they had a *stake* in the outcome.


3 posted on 09/04/2015 2:11:59 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: SunkenCiv
the Salisbury Magna Carta was written at Salisbury by one of the cathedral's own scribes.

Probably a transgender.

4 posted on 09/04/2015 2:17:46 PM PDT by Jim Noble (You walk into the room like a camel and then you frown)
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To: SunkenCiv

Yeah, a burning stake for revisionism. ;-)


5 posted on 09/04/2015 2:19:06 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Oooh, that was bad.


6 posted on 09/04/2015 2:20:06 PM PDT by Defiant (I will vote for the candidate that the GOPe and media hate the most.)
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To: Defiant
My second one today!
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7 posted on 09/04/2015 2:25:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: Jim Noble

It makes sense that there was at least one copy made at Salisbury. One of the guarantors who signed the document was William Longspee, half-brother to King John, bastard son of Henry II by Ida de Toeni.


8 posted on 09/04/2015 2:40:28 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: SunkenCiv

This is interesting.


9 posted on 09/04/2015 2:45:26 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

I agree! OTOH, I had someone drop off the group because of it, so...


10 posted on 09/04/2015 3:09:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: SunkenCiv

If the Salisbury copy (one of only four surviving) was produced in Salisbury, it stands to reason that it is not a Base or Generation Zero document but is a Generation One copy of the original. It seems probable that one of the original copies produced at the time of the Magna Carta’s signing in 1215 was being circulated and each authority wanting a copy had to produce its own copy by having a scribe transcribe it. Then, as a means of quality control, it was sent to the King for affixing of the Great Seal was a way for both sides to certify that the copy was a true copy of the original document.

This is a efficient and economical means of laying off the significant cost of producing the handwritten copy on those who wanted one but at the same time ensuring it would be accepted by both the owner and the Crown as a true copy for present and future reference. I image there was probably a hefty fee associated with obtaining the Great Seal on the document.


11 posted on 09/04/2015 3:25:44 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow)
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To: Captain Rhino

By the way, except for the Great Seal quality control bit, hand copying of important documents and books was the standard way (prior to the printing press) in which scholars in both the West and the East built their personal libraries.

Among the Chinese, it was also the practice to interlace the document’s text with their own commentary on it. Maddening to disentangle at times to obtain the original text without distracting asides, etc.


12 posted on 09/04/2015 3:31:55 PM PDT by Captain Rhino (Determined effort today forges tomorrow)
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To: RJS1950

Saw his tomb in the great cathdral

Salisbury is breathtaking


13 posted on 09/04/2015 3:53:56 PM PDT by silverleaf (Age takes a toll: Please have exact change)
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To: SunkenCiv

But they still can’t tell us who wrote the fake Vince Foster suicide note.


14 posted on 09/04/2015 5:32:17 PM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:21)
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To: silverleaf

Hope to make it there someday. He is a distant ancestor.


15 posted on 09/04/2015 7:13:42 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: aimhigh

That’s one corpus no one wants to habeas.


16 posted on 09/05/2015 2:35:02 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: RJS1950; SunkenCiv

London Walks runs a one day trip by express rail and bus to Salisbury and Stonehenge. Very reasonable and obviously takes you to spectacular sights.


17 posted on 09/11/2015 2:19:01 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: colorado tanker

Sounds great!

http://www.google.com/search?q=monuments+of+wiltshire&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&tbm=isch

http://www.touristnetuk.com/southern-england/wiltshire/attractions/heritage/castles.asp


18 posted on 09/12/2015 1:57:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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