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Wife says husband was not involved in Waco shootout
Fox San Antonio ^ | May 26, 2015 | Darian Trotter

Posted on 06/16/2015 4:40:51 AM PDT by don-o

Kenneth Carlisle is among the 30 San Antonio area men arrested in connection with the Waco biker shootout.

Since that shootout, Lindsay Carlisle has been fighting to prove her husband wasn't involved.

"This is has been beyond difficult. The worst nightmare of my entire life."

Lindsay Carlisle is trying to hold it together for her family. She's paying all of the bills, while her husband Kenneth sits in the McClennan County Jail on a one million dollar bond.

"What happened to be innocent until proven guilty? In this case that's not what's happening."

It's been just more than a week since the biker brawl and shootout at Twin Peaks in Waco.

9-people died, 18-were injured, and 170-people were arrested; including Kenneth Carlisle.

Lindsay says he drove her car and had just arrived.

She says he never made it past the parking lot.

"He wasn't wearing any vests, no colors, no bike, was in a vehicle and was in the wrong place, wrong time."

(Excerpt) Read more at foxsanantonio.com ...


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KEYWORDS: kennethcarlisle; recyclednews; waco
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To: equaviator
Anyway, this case is not really the best to have presented itself for asserting and/or defending certain amendments to the Constitution, Bill of Rights, etc...NINE people were shot to death, man...and they were all members of outlaw biker gangs!

100% WRONG. It is the "hard cases" like this that test the strength of the principles enshrined in our Constitution.

Blackstone said that it is better that 10 guilty go free than one innocent be punished. Someone else (?) expanded the ten to a hundred.

THIS is the underlying ideal that forms the basis of the protections guaranteed in the Constitution. At great peril do we turn our eyes away.

41 posted on 06/16/2015 6:02:03 AM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Salamander
The general public approves the police action. Until intervening would make him popular, thus get him votes, he will sit this one out.
42 posted on 06/16/2015 6:03:34 AM PDT by sport
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To: MrEdd

And we have certain FReepers who think they were all set up and ambushed by dedicated sniper teams, all killed by head shots.

Lastly we also have FReepers here who just don’t know what all happened so are not quite ready to take up arms for either side.


43 posted on 06/16/2015 6:05:45 AM PDT by jstaff
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To: equaviator
.NINE people were shot to death,

BY WHOM????

It's increasingly looking like the cops murdered them.

44 posted on 06/16/2015 6:06:22 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: don-o

Thanks for posting the link. I read through it some. Maybe I’m exaggerating but under that law it seems everyone is a criminal.


45 posted on 06/16/2015 6:13:22 AM PDT by Prolixus (Why does Waco make me think of Benghazi?)
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To: NorthMountain

Even after an eyewitness, one of the bikers, was quoted as saying that he saw three killed by other bikers, the shots that started the whole thing?


46 posted on 06/16/2015 6:14:24 AM PDT by jstaff
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To: don-o

Has anyone seen a list of charges yet?

As far as I can tell from the the cops and the press, there aren’t any charges filed and Americans are just being held on high bail without charges.

Seriously, have any of these people been formally charged with a crime yet?


47 posted on 06/16/2015 6:18:52 AM PDT by JJ_Folderol (Diagonally parked in a parallel universe...)
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To: jstaff

I don’t trust any of the ‘reporting’ of this incident.

YMMV.


48 posted on 06/16/2015 6:20:09 AM PDT by NorthMountain ("The time has come", the Walrus said, "to talk of many things")
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To: napscoordinator
A wife is not exactly a good alibi. He better do better then that in proving his innocence.

Have not sen you on a single Waco thread. Have you been reading them?

To your point...the relevant facts can be proved or disproved from police records. For example, his garb and vehicle. She says he was wearing no vest which indicated he had no identifying patches (as required for the Texas Organized Crime law which he was arrested for violating.)

LE KNOWS what he was wearing.

She said he drove her car. LE KNOWS what he was driving.

Such simple matters of fact make one wonder how the wife would think she could get away with lying (which is what I hear you implying.)

OH - I almost missed this - A DEFENDANT DOES NOT HAVE TO PROVE HIS INNOCENCE.

It is sad and scary that I have to post that.

49 posted on 06/16/2015 6:22:54 AM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: jstaff
Are you referring to this quote? It's from the Washington (com)Post and reads like a bad fiction.
50 posted on 06/16/2015 6:23:09 AM PDT by Prolixus (Why does Waco make me think of Benghazi?)
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To: JJ_Folderol

Law under which they are charged is linked in Post 32.


51 posted on 06/16/2015 6:24:55 AM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: don-o

“Blackstone said that it is better that 10 guilty go free than one innocent be punished. Someone else (?) expanded the ten to a hundred”

That logic is anywhere between .91 and 9.1 percent hard to follow.


52 posted on 06/16/2015 6:27:41 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: equaviator
That logic is anywhere between .91 and 9.1 percent hard to follow.

Then, it is no wonder we are losing the Republic.

53 posted on 06/16/2015 6:30:01 AM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: Salamander
From your link on Gov. Abbott supporting the massacre: Police say several tactical officers and Department of Public Safety troopers had been near the Twin Peaks restaurant in Waco monitoring activity before the shootout started. “We were well seen,” Swanton said.

That's just it. They were well seen. So why would anyone start something right smack dab in the middle of well seen SWAT aiming at them? No way. It was planned that an under cover cop start something.

54 posted on 06/16/2015 6:30:15 AM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: bgill

They were sitting in their cars. At least the Waco PD was according to the Chief. According to him, his men got out of their vehicles and ultimately fired 12 rounds from rifles after trouble began.

Among things we do not know are:

Where were Abbot’s men and what did THEY do?

Where were Obama’s men and what did THEY do?


55 posted on 06/16/2015 6:37:33 AM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: don-o

>>> Law under which they are charged is linked in Post 32. <<<

Apologies, I wasn’t clear.

We should be hearing about individual ‘possession of a deadly weapon’, ‘engaging in public disorder’, etc. charges, not just this ‘organized crime’ blanket arrest charge.

There’s a reason all these folks have different bond amounts and that has to relate to both past history and current charges or a judge has no basis for setting bail.

I’m probably not asking the right question, but I don’t speak ‘legal’.


56 posted on 06/16/2015 6:42:04 AM PDT by JJ_Folderol (Diagonally parked in a parallel universe...)
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To: don-o

It seems like an incredibly far-fetched idea that the police killed nine people in broad daylight like that AND it’s no wonder that people are losing their MINDS over the prospect of “losing the Republic”.


57 posted on 06/16/2015 6:43:41 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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To: equaviator
It seems like an incredibly far-fetched idea that the police killed nine people in broad daylight

You need to address that to someone who has said that. I did not say that. Focus, man.

58 posted on 06/16/2015 6:46:09 AM PDT by don-o (I am Kenneth Carlisle - Waco 5/17/15)
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To: NorthMountain

Of course you don’t, that might conflict with your preconceived notions about what happened. Believe what you want.


59 posted on 06/16/2015 6:51:54 AM PDT by jstaff
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To: don-o

Hey, my focus can only be as good as the information is reliable.


60 posted on 06/16/2015 6:55:23 AM PDT by equaviator (There's nothing like the universe to bring you down to earth.)
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