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Was Christopher Columbus in Greenland 15 years before he discovered America?
christopher-columbus.ch ^ | unattributed

Posted on 06/12/2015 3:01:02 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

Christopher Columbus wrote that he sailed in February 1477 to an island a hundred miles beyond Tile (Iceland). This trip, which would have led him to Greenland according to the distance he mentioned, was questioned many times in the 20th century. Arguments against accepting his claim have been that ice and snow would not have allowed him to make an expedition to the North in winter, and that the details he had given about the size of the tides (26 braccia) were far too overstated to be taken seriously. Taking into consideration new research concerning the change of climate at the end of the Middle Ages, Columbus' statement must be reconsidered in our days. It seems to be consistent not only with the climatic facts at that time, including extremely high and low tides, but also with the historical sources documenting the competition among European countries with regard to Greenland as a base for further advances to Newfoundland and Canada. This short essay shows, that there are substantive historical and climatic arguments supporting Christopher Columbus' claims.

Commenting on the five earthly zones and their habitability as described by Isidore of Seville in his treatises Etymologiae and De Natura Rerum, Columbus wrote in one of the rare records of his early seafaring time: In the month of February, 1477, I sailed a hundred leghe (miles) beyond Tile (Iceland), to an island, of which the south part is at a distance of 73 degrees from the equator, and not 63, as some say; and it does not lie within Ptolemy's western boundary, but much farther west. And to this island, which is as big as England, the English, especially those from Bristol, go with their wares...

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TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: 1477; 1492; ageofsail; ancientnavigation; bristol; christophercolumbus; columbusday; denaturarerum; england; etymologiae; globalwarminghoax; godsgravesglyphs; greenland; greennewdeal; iceland; isidoreofseville; navigation; ptolemy
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To: SunkenCiv

Climate change is cyclic. That should always be considered when considering migration causes and travel anomalies. That applies to plants and animals as well.


21 posted on 06/12/2015 4:26:54 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: Lorianne
" Portuguese fisherman fished off the cost of Newfoundland for centuries"

I agree ...it's not uncommon for ancient fishermen to go great distances as long as the could keep land in sight and have a source of fresh water and fuel to cook with.

22 posted on 06/12/2015 4:55:45 PM PDT by virgil283 (When the sun spins, the cross appears, and the skies burn red)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; SunkenCiv

Leif was Chris’s Uber Driver.


23 posted on 06/12/2015 5:49:23 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Sherman Logan; SunkenCiv; scrabblehack
Columbus was Genoese, not Spanish. A shorter mile, the Italian or Geometric Mile of 4060 feet (1.24 km) was in common use in 15th century Italy. If Columbus used the Geometric Mile, his league would be 2.67 nautical miles, which is the Italian League, or Geometric League (GL). There are a number of 15th century documents on metrology that support this league length.

http://columbuslandfall.com/ccnav/llen.shtml

24 posted on 06/12/2015 6:47:29 PM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: AdmSmith

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/League_(unit)


25 posted on 06/12/2015 6:49:59 PM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: Lorianne

http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/k/kurlansky-cod.html


26 posted on 06/12/2015 7:31:09 PM PDT by winodog
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To: Sherman Logan

It was Romanian after all... the translation worked here, said, no specific page exists, but still seemed to indicate that it was one mile; I tried another couple of searches and found all kinds of stuff (including *another* Romanian page) giving the various equivs for the various league lengths. :’)


27 posted on 06/13/2015 1:36:56 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: clearcarbon; AdmSmith

Thanks.


28 posted on 06/13/2015 1:43:03 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: Kartographer

Apropos of nothing, I wonder if the southern hemisphere equivalent calls itself Unter?


29 posted on 06/13/2015 1:44:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: SunkenCiv; Sherman Logan; colorado tanker

Say, I hate to bring up a sore subject, but the most obvious reason Columbus’ claims have to be discarded is because he says the weather then was warmer than now, and that just can’t be!

It makes Columbus a climate change denier, so we need to dig up his bones and put them in jail until Columbus admits that the world is warmer now than it ever was, and it’s all the fault of middle-aged white men like... like... well, like Columbus.

;-)


30 posted on 06/13/2015 8:32:59 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

Actually, 1492 was right in the middle of the Little Ice Age.


31 posted on 06/13/2015 8:46:18 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SunkenCiv

I realize there’s a reference to plying wares in Greenland, but am highly skeptical. No Norse settlements remained to sell stuff to, and the Eskimos weren’t much of a market.


32 posted on 06/13/2015 8:47:33 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

Yes, but Columbus claimed his Greenland trip was in the 1470s, and the article says it was warmer then, warmer than now? But if it was warmer then and not so warm now... ?


33 posted on 06/13/2015 8:59:22 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK

Color me skeptical. The thermometer hadn’t even been invented yet. Columbus had no way to quantify temperature. Nobody schlepped goods to Greenland because there was nobody living there to sell them to. There were a few scattered Eskimos here and there, but they were the very definition of poverty.

Sorry if that bursts bubbles. The article had a host of weird ideas in it.

European powers competing for access to Greenland, as a staging area for advance into a New World they didn’t know was there? You will note how vital the Greenland route was in the later exploration and colonization. /s

Tides much higher than today due to climate change? Unless I’m seriously confused, tides are caused by gravitational attraction of Sun and Moon, not by weather.

Sorry, article strikes me as tin foil kookburger stuff.


34 posted on 06/13/2015 9:13:20 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: SunkenCiv

Eskimos managed to get around on the water just fine. They built kayaks and larger boats out of driftwood and skins.


35 posted on 06/13/2015 9:14:17 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: AdmSmith

There is a longstanding claim the CC was Catalan, not Genoese.

I suspect it’s BS, but it’s been around a long time.


36 posted on 06/13/2015 9:15:33 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

So you agree, or disagree, with me that Columbus was a climate change denier, and for that reason alone, if for no other, should be removed from all politically correct histories, except as an example of how evil European men are?

;-)


37 posted on 06/13/2015 11:32:20 AM PDT by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: Sherman Logan

Funny thing, there’s no trace of Eskimo kayaks in Scandinavia, or Viking kayaks for that matter.


38 posted on 06/13/2015 11:58:39 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: Sherman Logan

Columbus was doing research, and found Greenland right where he’d been told it was, aware that English ships from Bristol were already going there as well, but you have to suit yourself.


39 posted on 06/13/2015 12:00:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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To: BroJoeK
:'D
The Little Ice Age: How Climate Made History 1300-1850
The Little Ice Age:
How Climate Made History 1300-1850

by Brian M. Fagan

Paperback

40 posted on 06/13/2015 12:02:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW)
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