Posted on 05/05/2015 6:10:22 PM PDT by EveningStar
Romans 11:25 For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery-- so that you will not be wise in your own estimation-- that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;
The people of Israel were scattered until the times of the Gentiles was fulfilled.
Luke 21:24 and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
The Gentiles are NOT the lost sheep of Israel. Salvation came to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.
Romans 11:11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious.
Jesus Himself said He had other sheep who were not of Israel.
John 10:16 "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.
After the exile all Israelites were referred to as Jews or you must admit that Jesus was only to be King of the descendants of Judah and not all of Israel.
Matthew 2:2 "Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we saw His star in the east and have come to worship Him."
Scripture makes a distinct difference between the people of Israel and the Gentiles. The Rood teaching that the Gentiles are simply the lost tribes of Israel is from Satan and not from God's word.
Michael Rood is an imposter and fraud.
Which would make it a knowable day since the number of days from the signing of the peace treaty are numbered exactly. The only time "no one knows the day or the hour" is prior to that peace treaty signing.
While something may be probable, that something doesn’t make it certain or knowable. He said his coming would not be knowable, even if it occurs before OR after the peace treaty! Christ always said things or did things that people would not always expect, yet when checked...did fulfill scripture(but not in ways we “experts”/s might have expected). He comes as a thief...remember?! Like Nineveh, Christ still wants to save souls...so should he tarry a few extra milli”seconds” of eternity,it doesn’t mean he won’t eventually carry out his plans!
We can only know the nearness of his coming, the “season” of it...that’s the best we have been given!
Another point....a lot of bad things are happening all in the space of the “pre-7 years era”, then the 7 years minus whatever shortening of time God has allowed. Events happening right on top of each other... trumpet blows, vials poured, bowls poured...it’s not just 1 event then a period of time passes...it’s more like a set of dominoes set up and turned over setting up a lot of other dominoes to tumble all against each other until they are all down.Bip....bip...bip bip.bip bip bip bip bip bip... Christ steps upon the Mount of Olives and Games over!
Some events will seem to over lap in the rapidity of the sequence of events all occurring...like a coin spiraling faster and faster in one of those funnel set ups in a dept. store that they use to collect donations in. The Rapture will most like occur at somepoint in the midst of all that.
Whether at the end of the “pre7 years era”, during the 7 years or post...we don’t really know for certain...but Christ did speak of the season that it should occur and that we were to “lift up our heads for our salvation draws nigh”...that’s best we have been given!
So ironically... for certain we can say yes...the rapture will occur, that part is knowable by faith and conviction. The dead in Christ will rise and those alive in Christ will rise to meet him. The speculation about the timing is still that...speculation. Will it happen?...yes!
Some believe that snatching away will happen mid-trib. There is a strong case to be made and made by scholars more wise than us, that the Bride will be removed before the Man of Sin emerges to make treaty with Israel of a seven year compact. It may be related to the Psalm 83 war, which will be between Ishmael descendant Islam and Israel. The war that is titled 'armageddon' is between Israel and gog and magog, not Ishmael descendant Islamic powers.
Saving souls will continue during the Tribulation. The Holy Spirit indwelling will no longer be happening since that is a characteristic of the Bride being prepared for The Bridegroom, but He will be putting the HS seal on untold millions who bow their knee during the Tribulation.
“Holy Spirit indwelling will no longer”
I’m not so sure of that. The Spirit renews the inner man day by day and if one is a Christian that is the process by which we are renewed. The Holy Spirit ,if he is the Restrainer, can certainly step out of the way, but still be with “TRIB saints” if the scenarios occur that way! Christ says of his children that he will never leave or for-sake them. The Bible talks about “sealing of the Saints” at some point during this challenging period. I don’t think the Holy Spirit abandons any of his children to their own devices, even if his activity is minimized in the greater world at that time. They will not be able to withstand Satan’s temptations otherwise.
I’m reminded of the story of Saul who appeared at Gibeah with the prophets and as they sacrificed, the Holy Spirit fell on them(1Samuel 10) ...yes it did happen in the Old testament. It may very well manifest that directly in the Trib times but since Jesus had already died and arisen...it won’t be a mere “falling upon but indwelling”. These Christians are going to need much more power to withstand the times. I can’t find anywhere supported that the Holy Spirit won’t support Christians who become so during the Trib period, assuming the “pre-trib’ scenario! His support may be more “Old testament” perhaps, but I suspect because of the cross, He will indwell them as well!
His disciples had asked “Lord when shall these things take place...” Christ gave a general description of the times and his warning that exact times of his coming are only known by the Father in heaven. It was an admonition for all Gentile and Jewish Christians then(from the coming of the Holy Ghost) and in the times to come. I have to disagree with you. He said it to give us hope and a warning to stay watchful and spiritually prepared! As we seem now to have entered that general season since the founding of Israel...Lift your head up! Our salvation draws nigh!
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Your delusion is between you and God.
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>> “Jesus did come to the Israelites but they rejected Him.” <<
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That is just your total lack of understanding of all scripture.
It is Judah that rejected him, not “The Lost Sheep of The House of Israel.”
The evangelism recorded in the NT is almost totally of the dispersed, gentile House of Israel.
He told you that in Matthew 15:24, but you choose not to believe him. That will be for you to explain when you stand at the Great White Throne with the rest of the condemned.
The very gentile “House of Israel” are the “other sheep.”
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Stop trying to twist Paul’s words!
Dispensationalism will send millions to the lake of fire, and it is not Paul’s fault that they yearned for delusion.
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“The author of this article certainly doesn’t have a clue...”
I think Mr. Martingnoni is spot on with his article. I grew up under the teachings of a Pre-Trib Rapture, as John Nelson Darby and his followers among the ‘Plymouth Brethren’ taught it. I have pondered the question, studied and researched what the Bible says, and today if I were to write an article on this it would likely read like what Mr. Martingnoni wrote in his article.
Pre-Trib Rapture fits well with Darby’s dispensationalism. Scofield was studied Darby’s writings and much of Darby’s teachings influenced Scofield’s Reference Notes. And it spread among may fundamental Christian congregations.
There is another ‘stumbling block’ that is somewhat related. It has to do with Daniel’s ‘70 weeks of years’ and the ‘gap theory’ relating to these years. The 69th week ended when Jesus was baptized by John. The 70th week begins at that moment. It was the ‘week’ of Jesus earthly ministry, cut short at three and a half years by His crucifixion.
Amen That!!!
On my profile page is a little essay on 'faithing', that is the idea of walking in faith, depending upon the promises of God, placing faith in His Promise to come and call out His Bride to Him, not on the Earth but called out to go to the Father's House. The faithing process is a daily living with the Holy Spirit within teaching, training, guiding, and transforming the believer (the word in the Greek is from 'pitis', conveying faither, but the King James translators didn't like using the same word too much in a paragraph so they used synonyms). When God says regarding the marriage of two to make one, He is not primarily talking about a sex act. The betrothal in the Jewish marriage process made a contract offered by the bridegroom and binding Himself to her and she to him when she accepted or her father accepted in her stead.
Have you often wondered about the double phrasing of calling The Church the Bride of Christ and also The Body of Christ, and referring to we believers as in Him, in Christ? Jesus gave Philip a Physics lesson on this issue in John 14. We as the Church are in Him, we are His bride and His contract is what we faithe in as we are built up into the prepared Bride for His taking us back to the Father's House.
I cannot even begin to explain how The Holy Spirit works upon men, but we know that something changed with Pentecost. And it is reinforced for our 'seeing' with the episode involving the house of Cornelius. God comes into the believer in a way that was in OT times very rare. In the Church Age it is to 'any who will'. This indwelling is a voluntary thing on our part ... we choose to believe and be guided and transformed as His Bride, to be in Him, to be The Body of Christ. This is the hallmark of The Good News, Christ in you.
The presence in the believers restrains the spirit of iniquity. It does this individually, for we see it is not stopping the filth broadcast around the globe and pushed upon society with such degeneracy as the homosexual marriage farce. When He, the restrainer, is taken out this happens as The Body of Christ, His Bride, is removed.
More than one of God's chosen workers has experienced the utter frustration by the enemies of The Faith (those caught in the spirit of iniquity) when God's servant is present. The spirit of iniquity is restrained to the degree that The Holy Spirit is shining out through the worker. So His presence within us works to restrain. In America, we have grown cold-to-luke-warm, not actively opposing the spirit of iniquity, allowing it to build around us, with pornography, drug habituation, sexual degeneracy, lies and deception as a way of living, and bloodthirsty behaviors.
The scene as found in Mark and Matthew is later that same evening, Jesus having been asked about the Temple and about when this destruction of the Temple would happen and His Second arrival on the planet, not in the air, on the planet. The short of it is that Jesus refers this private teaching to Daniel and that is how we know it is for the Coming Day of The Lord, which is a time of Judgment, not a time of escape. Chuck Missler, to name one excellent source, has a Youtube video giving the complete details on this placing of the Rapture and the Second Coming Day of The Lord, if you want to spend an hour or two listening to his excellent teaching.
Jewish scholars were so stunned with the arrival of Jesus and the miracles He performed that they debated for centuries over whether there were two Messiahs, as a suffering Messiah (Jesus read the passage from Isa 61 to them and stopped before the conquering Messiah is detailed) from the line of Joseph and a conquering Messiah from the line of David.
The same Messiah, Jesus, is fulfilling both roles. But the seventieth week of Daniel, as plainly written in Daniel 9 begins with a contract entered into with Israel, for seven years of Peace and Safety.
The sixty-ninth week ended when Jesus allowed Himself to be ushered into Jerusalem as King, the only time He did so during His first coming to the Earth. The calculation is so precise for the period from the command to rebuild Jerusalem to the entry into Jerusalem that for centuries 'scholars' claimed Daniel had to have been written after Jesus came and was crucified. Even the Book of Daniel itself was doubted by 'scholars', until a clay tablet was found in the base of a tower being excavated in Babylon which named The King and his son, Belshazzar, as dedicating the tower construction. And as you know, Belshazzar was the king in Babylon city when the hand writing on the wall occurred and Babylon fell to the encircling enemy armies.
Nothing like missing a key when spelling a Greek word ... the word is ‘pistis’ ...
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