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Ancient Receipt Proves Egyptian Taxes Were Worse Than Yours
Live Science ^ | March 14, 2015 | Owen Jarus

Posted on 03/25/2015 11:53:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv

A recently translated ancient Egyptian tax receipt shows a bill that is (literally) heavier than any American taxpayer will pay this year — more than 220 lbs. (100 kilograms) of coins.

Written in Greek on a piece of pottery, the receipt states that a person (the name is unreadable) and his friends paid a land-transfer tax that came to 75 "talents" (a unit of currency), with a 15-talent charge added on. The tax was paid in coins and was delivered to a public bank in a city called Diospolis Magna (also known as Luxor or Thebes).

But just how much was 90 talents worth in ancient Egypt?

"It's an incredibly large sum of money," said Brice Jones, a Ph.D. student at Concordia University in Montreal, who translated the text. "These Egyptians were most likely very wealthy."

The receipt has a date on it that corresponds to July 22, 98 B.C. Paper money didn't exist at that time, and no coin was worth anywhere near one talent, the researchers said. Instead people made up the sum using coins that were worth varying amounts of drachma.

One talent equaled 6,000 drachma, so 90 talents totaled 540,000 drachma, researchers say. For comparison, an unskilled worker at that time would have made only about 18,000 drachmaa year said Catharine Lorber, an independent scholar who has published numerous journal articles on Egyptian coins.

(Excerpt) Read more at livescience.com ...


TOPICS: History; Science; Travel
KEYWORDS: drachma; godsgravesglyphs; irs; kissmyass; ostraca; ostracon; talents
Several ancient and medieval texts at McGill University Library and Archives are in the process of being deciphered and published by Brice Jones, a PhD student at Concordia University. Until now the texts had not been studied and few knew of their existence. Credit: Rare Books and Special Collections, McGill University Library and Archives

Credit: Rare Books and Special Collections, McGill University Library and Archives

1 posted on 03/25/2015 11:53:00 AM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: SunkenCiv

This is meaningless without knowing the size of the underlying transaction. How much land was sold, and how much did the purchaser pay for it?


2 posted on 03/25/2015 11:56:28 AM PDT by proxy_user
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To: SunkenCiv
Land transfer tax.

Yeah, but it was in a great location:

3 posted on 03/25/2015 11:56:59 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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To: SunkenCiv
Written in Greek on a piece of pottery, the receipt states that a person (the name is unreadable) and his friends paid a land-transfer tax that came to 75 "talents" (a unit of currency), with a 15-talent charge added on....90 talents totaled 540,000 drachma, researchers say. For comparison, an unskilled worker at that time would have made only about 18,000 drachmaa / year

The tax on the purchase - not even the purchase price itself - equaled thirty times the annual wage of a commoner. Soak the rich!

4 posted on 03/25/2015 12:04:26 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: SunkenCiv

It actually translates to “shared responsiblity payment”


5 posted on 03/25/2015 12:15:56 PM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: SunkenCiv
The 18,000 drachmas annual wage is clearly an error.

A drachma was equivalent to a Roman denarius, which represented a good day's pay (see the parable of the laborers in the vineyard who agreed to work (Matt. 20). Maybe it should read 180 drachmas.

6 posted on 03/25/2015 12:40:40 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Make that: “the laborers who agreed to work for one denarius for a day’s work” (Matt. 20)


7 posted on 03/25/2015 12:41:52 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

Make that: “the laborers who agreed to work for one denarius for a day’s work” (Matt. 20)


8 posted on 03/25/2015 12:41:52 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: 2banana

:’)


9 posted on 03/25/2015 12:42:03 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: Alex Murphy

The biggest ‘talent’ was how there was a 15-talent surcharge added to the actual tax. Reminds me of Samuel Johnson’s dictionary entry: “Excise: a hateful tax levied upon commodities and adjudged not by the common judges of property but wretches hired by those to whom excise is paid”


10 posted on 03/25/2015 12:44:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: SunkenCiv

how much is that piece of pottery worth.


11 posted on 03/25/2015 12:45:48 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: SunkenCiv
75 "talents" (a unit of currency)

That's an error. A telent is a unit of weight, like a pound. The exact weight varied by region, but Wiki says that an Egyptian talent was 60lb.

In order to know how much money we are talking about, you would need to know whether it was a talent of bronze or silver or gold. Later in the article it suggests that it was Bronze, and says that the 15 talent "surcharge" was just a way of converting from silver to bronze.

If you want to guess how much it would be worth today, 75 talents x 60 lb = 4,500 pounds x 14.58 troy ounces per pound = 65,600 troy ounces of silver x $17 per ounce = $1.1 million.

However, if they paid in bronze, which today is a lot cheaper than silver, it would be 90 talents x 60lb x $2 per pound = $10,800

12 posted on 03/25/2015 1:28:21 PM PDT by edwinland
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To: SunkenCiv

So, how much is that in today’s US dollars?


13 posted on 03/25/2015 1:48:24 PM PDT by bgill (CDC site, "we still do not know exactly how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; 1010RD; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

14 posted on 03/25/2015 1:56:52 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (What do we want? REGIME CHANGE! When do we want it? NOW!)
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To: SunkenCiv

Sounds like a lot of money, but if the taxpayer was the Bill Gates of Ptolemaic Egypt maybe not so much.


15 posted on 03/25/2015 2:12:40 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: SunkenCiv

Ha! They paid their taxes in pennies.


16 posted on 03/25/2015 3:02:11 PM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: edwinland

Thanks, you beat me to it.

A talent was the load a man could carry.

Its value is remarkably difficult to equate to today, because the relative scarcity of metals would mean that the purchasing power of metals might be very different then and now.


17 posted on 03/25/2015 4:38:35 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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