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I find it amazing people want to turn back the clock on scientific and medical progress. Before pasteurization milk was a nice vector for disease including TB. Without pasteurization one would need dairy farms right near major urban centers. For example, in Thomas Hardy's "Tess of the d'Urbervilles" the book talks about how the milk produced by a dairy will in consumed in London the next day as it is transported by train.
1 posted on 02/20/2015 6:35:30 AM PST by C19fan
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Are they claiming that the milk that comes out of the cow actually has fecal matter in it? How is that possible? Wouldn’t the cow’s system process it out?


2 posted on 02/20/2015 6:38:28 AM PST by raybbr (Obamacare needs a death panel.)
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So don’t drink raw milk.

Its not real complicated.


3 posted on 02/20/2015 6:39:28 AM PST by cripplecreek ("For by wise guidance you can wage your war")
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4 posted on 02/20/2015 6:41:25 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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The reason milk was diseased was not because it was raw but because of how it was processed. For most of human history, people consumed raw milk with no trouble. It wasn’t until they started putting dairies in the middle of cities (next to distilleries, for example) that the problems arose.

Unpasteurized milk will not make you sick and it does not contain cow feces unless it is externally contaminated. My family has consumed it for 5 years without incident. I would agree that it is important to understand your source.

I am amazed people will drink pasteurized milk. Because farmers know it will pasteurized, it includes all sorts of crap.

The article you reference is propaganda.


5 posted on 02/20/2015 6:41:30 AM PST by Pete
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That raw milk is risky and has no benefit is not news.

No, it's not news. It's just false.
8 posted on 02/20/2015 6:43:04 AM PST by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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Drinking raw milk as a kid is why I cannot drink the white water they call milk that is sold in stores today. It’s just nasty compared to the real stuff.


9 posted on 02/20/2015 6:43:35 AM PST by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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Without pasteurization one would need dairy farms right near major urban centers.

There is another option that works better than pasteurization. Irradiation.

400 Rads of gamma rays and that milk will taste like it came straight from the cow to your table and be completely free of bacteria or virus.

But this is opposed even more vehemently by the wacky left.

10 posted on 02/20/2015 6:43:57 AM PST by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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When I was growing up, my sister had dairy cows on their farm. We drank raw milk all the time. Never got e coli or anything else.

I guess if you don’t take the time to wash the tits and make sure your milking equipment is clean, maybe.

I wouldn’t want to buy raw milk in store though, that’s for sure. I would want to make sure I knew where it came from and how much handling it had and how it was stored and etc etc etc.

But raw milk is not unsafe by any means.


11 posted on 02/20/2015 6:45:13 AM PST by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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12 posted on 02/20/2015 6:45:18 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not A Matter of Opinion)
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New age hippies want everyone to be mire “natural” and eat caveman style and “organic”. Let me point out something to you nitwits. Men didn’t live nearly as long and died of horrible diseases from infected meats and poor nutrition. If you “really” want to be all “natural” hand over all your electronic gadgets or STFU...: )


14 posted on 02/20/2015 6:45:30 AM PST by jsanders2001
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Despite the health ramifications, people still:

- inject ink into their skin
- sleep with multiple sex partners
- do drugs
- drink and drive
- smoke
- do other stupid stuff

The question is, does the state have the responsibility to protect people from themselves, or does the state have the responsibility to allow people the freedom to choose (even if it is a stupid choice).


16 posted on 02/20/2015 6:47:01 AM PST by taxcontrol
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People drank raw milk for centuries, long before pasteurization or even routine sanitation. They not only lived but thrived. My father was raised on a farm in South Dakota and told me many times of milking the cows in the morning and serving the whole milk on the breakfast table.

So this alarmist hogwash is just that -- another way to let the nanny state control every little aspect of our lives. If you want to drink raw milk, drink it. If you don't, don't. But don't yield yet another liberty to a bunch of know-nothing bureaucrats who demand to be your surrogate mothers.

22 posted on 02/20/2015 6:50:29 AM PST by IronJack
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What a crock of crap.

Have you ever wondered why it is that farm boys grow up so hale and hearty while city boys are pasty-faced and have half the strength?

All y’all don’t know what you are talking about.


27 posted on 02/20/2015 6:59:32 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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Nice post and run comrade.

I'm so glad the government is saving us all.
28 posted on 02/20/2015 7:01:08 AM PST by John 3_19-21 (I will not even try to live in harmony with those who wish me dead.)
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This clown would prefer that we drink milk that is produced from cows that have all that good scientific stuff like growth hormones, antibiotics and are fed GMO corn until they are ready to explode.

Sorry fool. I drink raw milk from a local farm run by Christians who take in orphan boys. Their products are from grass-fed cows milk, unpasteurized (which chemically changes the natural enzymes) and with no GMO crap or medical additives... kind of like the way God intended.

30 posted on 02/20/2015 7:03:26 AM PST by Dr. Thorne (The night is far spent, the day is at hand.- Roman 13:12)
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I grew up drinking unpasteurized milk. It tastes much better, is nutritious. Much more sanitary than eating in a restaurant. Most of the human race used unpasteurized milk. Any food processing has a potential to get you sick. By the way, the United States spent about a hundred years getting its food supply safe but is has all been undone with free trade. Pesticides forbidden in the United States are used in countries that send up their food.


31 posted on 02/20/2015 7:05:37 AM PST by odawg
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Raw milk, aka milk.

I've had unpasteurized milk right out of the bucket and I didn't die. There is zero reason that milk would contain fecal matter, except if it is attained in an unhygienic manner, doesn't matter whether it is pasteurized after or not in that regard, although pasteurization would ensure you get “cooked” fecal matter.

Consenting adult milks cow and sells milk to another consenting adult, have we not better things to do with our Federal government than police these people?

33 posted on 02/20/2015 7:11:59 AM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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But that same sh** used for your organic food is good for you.


35 posted on 02/20/2015 7:14:45 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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By this FDA report, raw dairy products were responsible for an average of 115 sicknesses per year from 1993 to 2006: http://www.fda.gov/Food/ResourcesForYou/consumers/ucm079516.htm

That is out of an average of over 100,000 cases per year: http://www.about-ecoli.com/

So, 0.11% of annual ecoli sicknesses come from raw dairy.


36 posted on 02/20/2015 7:15:54 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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A few pointers about raw milk.

1) Farmers who follow good sanitation procedures almost never produce infected milk. Mass market milk producer’s cows produce very contaminated milk. Neither produce milk contaminated with very dangerous pathogens, like typhoid fever, that would not be permitted even with Pasteurization. So the most common “food poisoning” bacteria are Salmonella, E. coli, and Listeria, which are permitted in Pasteurized milk.

2) Pasteurization chemically changes milk, which affects its taste. It also does not sterilize milk, just reduces the number of bacteria to levels where it takes longer to spoil with refrigeration. Sterilized milk is unpalatable.

3) Ultra-High Temperature (UHT)(or “flash”) pasteurization almost sterilizes milk. For this reason, it can be stored for up to six months without refrigeration. However the milk has been so significantly chemically altered that it cannot be used in recipes requiring milk fermentation.

4) Raw milk makes Pasteurized milk taste like chalk dissolved in water. It is far more delicious and should be tried at least once, from a reputable farm that produces raw milk. It is worth the minimal risk for an adult, though it should not be given to children.

5) The dairy lobby is extremely powerful in government. For years it prohibited the sale of margarine entirely. Then it prohibited margarine from being yellow in color, so it had to be sold as white, with a dye coloring packet.

Most people prefer the convenience of mass market milk products, with raw milk, butter, cream and cheese for those with more gourmet tastes. As such, it should not be denied them, though a strong recommendation against giving these foods to young children should be made.


37 posted on 02/20/2015 7:16:10 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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