Posted on 02/12/2015 5:28:54 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
Dr. Suzanne Humphries is a practicing nephrologist (kidney physician). In this lecture (video below), she addresses a study done in Croatia [1] where a child who was vaccinated with the MMR vaccine was tested positive for the measles vaccine strain Schwarz eight days after vaccination.
This was a significant finding, because the child’s symptoms were thought to be similar to rubella, and without testing, the sickness would have been possibly mis-diagnosed as rubella, or the wild-type strain of measles the vaccine is designed to protect against.
This concept of “shedding,” where the child comes down with the disease from the virus in the vaccine itself, surprised the researchers:
Virus excretion in vaccinees has been reported before, but to our knowledge, this is documented for the first time for the Schwarz vaccine strain. [1]
Since 2010, this phenomena of vaccine shedding with measles in the MMR vaccine has been observed in at least two other studies: (excerpt) - read article for more
(Excerpt) Read more at healthimpactnews.com ...
Thanks for the ping!
How about we do a rationality check first - like asking, "what exactly do you mean by the word 'vaccines'"?
The word "vaccines" is like the word "metal." Every metal is different, and there are metal alloys that are combinations of metals, and there is the proper application of the proper metal or metal allow to a particular situation.
Same with the word "vaccines." Every one is different, and there are combo vaccines, and there are different adjuvents, and there are different uses on different populations of different ages in different amounts.
Your question, therefore, to simply too ignorant to be answered.
But hey, it's just perfect for whipping up pseudoscientific hysteria. What a coincidence.
Are you in favor of or against children being required to take the polio vaccine?
Are you acknowledging the failure of the rationality of your previous question?
Be careful there with all that common sense, you will annoy the socialists aka comrades who believe in “the greater good.” ;)
I actually had the measles as a kid, itchy rash and I got to play in a tent under the table because of the risk of eye problems. My brother had the mumps, but we both survived without so much as a trip to the doctor.
I knew you wouldn’t answer the question. That’s how cowards are.
I’ll answer that...
Required? No.
Now, you get to go VB, Are you in favor of all children and or adults being micro chipped? Remember now, it might save a few lives, it’s for the children dontcha know.
FYI, paralytic polio at it’s height affected an average 350 people a year, with between 17-35 dying. You’re talking numbers like drowning in buckets or, for that matter, accidental firearm handling.
Require an ID to buy a bucket? More firearms restrictions?
If you’re willing to sacrifice principle and freedom for an infintesimal number of people you don’t know because of some hand wringing bed wetters appeals, you might need to go back to Constitution and Founding school.
Educate them, give them a choice, they/their own are the only people who will have to deal with it.
LOL, what a child you are. What am I supposed to be, insulted? By a moron who thinks the hundreds of different types of vaccines are all the same, and thinks avoiding admitting it is accomplished by flinging openly hypocritical insults?
Run along and play somewhere else, little shill.
Sounds like someone wasn’t listening to the doctor’s instructions if this really is the case, because after you receive the shots, the instructions are to keep away from people you don’t want to get sick. How hard is that? But I would like more sources to confirm the measles case before I accept this as the official story.
Well, there actually are and were fatalities from measles and chickenpox, but compared to how deadly the flu is, the flu would make them look mild.
The fact that someone died after receiving a measles vaccine does not mean much. They could have died from being hit by a car, from an allergic reaction to peanuts, from a heart condition, from anything. Literally anyone can report anything in the VAERS database; it only means anything if an investigation establishes that the cause of the death was a vaccine. I am not aware of any verified vaccine deaths. However, there are plenty of deaths that are caused by infectious disease.
In the US, an average of 6 per thousand children die before 1 year of age. Another 20.5 thousand children between ages 1 and 19 die per year (for a rate of about 26 per 100,000). Your chart would be more accurately labeled "Number of deaths from any cause that happened to occur right after receipt of measles vaccine."
In the US, we have very few deaths from measles because we vaccinate sufficiently in most areas to efficiently interrupt chains of transmission. It is impossible to die of a disease if you don't catch it. In other parts of the world, where children are not vaccinated, 400 children die from measles every day for a total of 145,000 deaths per year. Without good healthcare, measles has about a 5-10% death rate--good healthcare brings that down to about 1-3 deaths per thousand. It is still serious; during the current outbreak, 1/5 of the people catching measles have been hospitalized, and the rest have been quarantined.
To put your chart into context: over the last 10 years, 134,259 people have died of measles for every person who died of any cause after receiving a measles vaccine.
Measles is one of the most contagious diseases known. If you are not vaccinated, and you are exposed, you will catch it. People who have measles are contagious for 2 days before symptoms appear. You do not have to be physically near an infected person to catch it, you can be several yards away or enter a room that an infected person left two hours before.
-——in Croatia-——
Therefore not a valid example
You are a nut - you know that right?
I’m sorry you are a coward - it must be tough because there is no vaccine for cowardice.
It stands to (very simple) reason a timespan beginning in 2004 (four years after measles elimination) and ending just before the late 2014 outbreak would see few (albeit not zero) deaths from measles, because the viral infection had been largely eliminated from the United States during the period specifically selected to illustrate the purported innocuous nature of measles.
As to the claim of “deaths” due to the measles vaccine:
The second portion of the claim entailed deaths attributed directly to the MMR vaccine in the same period. Even if a minute number of fatalities were proved to have resulted from the MMR vaccine, it would still be impossible to accurately contrast that figure with deaths due to a disease no longer spreading in the United States during the period selected. That speculation itself, however, is a big "if." According to the article, their figures for MMR deaths were culled from the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), but VAERS does not exist to track specific and proved adverse reactions to vaccines. The purpose of the system is clearly denoted on the VAERS site (in a disclaimer not reproduced by the article spreading the claim):
When evaluating data from VAERS, it is important to note that for any reported event, no cause-and-effect relationship has been established. Reports of all possible associations between vaccines and adverse events (possible side effects) are filed in VAERS. Therefore, VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/medical/mmrdeaths.asp
Yes. I know - Snopes / s. But I posted that link because it summarized very concisely and IMO, does a good job in debunking the false claims of that particular and other internet memes and viral emails, something that I find Snopes is usually pretty good at doing. There are other science based sites and papers that back it up.
It is also important to consider that among the “adverse” events from vaccinations in the VAERS database include quite benign and often very temporary things like “soreness in the arm at the injection site”, a very low grade fever and even bouts of fainting immediately following receiving a vaccination – typically found in people, most usually in teenage girls (and sometimes boys) who are freaked out by needles of any type and who have a purely hysterical and emotional response to them and not actually caused by the vaccine.
FWIW, when I was 18 years old, a week after I had graduated from HS, I had to get my tonsils out, I had severe tonsillitis to the point that I was near septic from the chronic infection that had gotten very much worse and required immediate surgery. On the morning I was admitted to the hospital for my surgery later that afternoon, I had to have blood drawn.
I remember the nurse putting on the tourniquet and swabbing my arm at the inside of my elbow and telling me, “turn your head and look away, you will feel a little pinch but it will be over quickly and don’t’ look because I don’t want you passing out”. But I wanted to look, I wanted to watch. At the time I was seriously considering going to nursing school, perusing a career in medicine and I told the nurse this and that in HS I had been a blood donor for the last two years and that I wasn’t at all squeamish or afraid of needles. So I watched her find the vein and plunge in the needle and watched as she filled several vials of my blood – I thought it was very cool to watch the process and I didn’t feel at all faint or ill from watching.
She congratulated me and told me I should go into nursing because I had mettle and stomach for it and told me that most of her patients didn’t watch, that I was one of the very few who did during all her years of drawing blood and that she had had a lot of big burly men nearly pass out or actually pass out just by the very idea of getting blood drawn, getting the needle. And I saw this as right next to me was a middle aged guy, a big guy who was long haul truck driver who was being admitted for hernia surgery and needing blood drawn and he was hyper ventilating, feeling sweaty and feeling faint even with just getting his arm swabbed; long before the needle came anywhere near him. After getting my blood drawn I stood up and felt just fine while the big older guy next to me had to lie down as he felt still feeling nauseous and faint. LOL!
FWIW, I had to get another MMR vaccine while I was a junior in HS in 1978 because my parents had lost some of my vaccination records after several moves and we had moved from PA to MD and our family doctor back in PA had retired and they couldn’t get access to those records. It was a requirement back in the late 70’s in the Baltimore City school system, that if you couldn’t prove with documentation from a doctor that you had received certain vaccinations (Small Pox, Polio and the MMR vaccines) you had to be vaccinated or vaccinated again and if not, you would be not allowed to come to school unless you had documentation from a doctor that proved you had a valid medical exception. There were as I recall no religious or conscientious objections. I could prove that I had had my small pox vaccine as I had and still have the scar and my parents did have a record of my Polio vaccine but not of my MMR vaccine of either of my first or second round.
My HS school set up a free vaccination clinic at school for anyone needing or not having a prior vaccination records.
So I stood in line and got my MMR vaccine, probably my third round as my parents were sure I had gotten it but couldn’t prove it. I got my shot and went to my next class, feeling absolutely no ill effects except for just a very mild soreness at the injection site that subsided a day later. But I saw some girls faint or feel nauseous, a few that actually vomited just before or after getting their vaccine shot, and a saw quite a few classmates crying hysterically both before and after getting the vaccine, not because the actual shot caused it, but because they were very squeamish about getting a shot and it was a purely emotional response from getting a needle, but according the VAERS database, such “adverse effects” even like fainting and or having bouts of nausea after receiving a vaccine, could be a reportable as a possible “adverse effect”.
https://vaers.hhs.gov/index
DISCLAIMER: Please note that VAERS staff follow-up on all serious and other selected adverse event reports to obtain additional medical, laboratory, and/or autopsy records to help understand the concern raised. However, in general coding terms in VAERS do not change based on the information received during the follow-up process. VAERS data should be used with caution as numbers and conditions do not reflect data collected during follow-up. Note that the inclusion of events in VAERS data does not imply causality.
Nonsense.
Known side effects of vaccination include risk of a mild case of the disease.
Coming down with infection after vaccination is not the same as contagion and passing it into the broader population.
She’s a anti-vac activist, basically pumping her book.
Take it with a very large grain of salt. (semi-truck size)
Amen and amen.
Some of us are old enough to remember polio and the lives it took or ruined.
Some of us remember the first-hand experience of chickenpox and measles and whooping cough and tetanus.
Some of us wear the smallpox scar with honor, knowing that our little part in the vaccination of millions led to one of the greatest medical successes in history.
Shame on the others of us who live in a me-first bubble and don’t appreciate their blessings.
Your kids and grandkids don’t get sick because my kids and grandkids took preventive steps in your favor.
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