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Planck telescope puts new datestamp on first stars
BBC News ^ | 2/5/15 | BBC

Posted on 02/05/2015 1:55:50 PM PST by NormsRevenge

Scientists working on Europe's Planck satellite say the first stars in the Universe lit up later than was previously thought.

The team has made the most precise map of the "oldest light" in the cosmos.

Earlier observations of this radiation had suggested that the first generation of stars burst into life about 420 million years after the Big Bang.

The new Planck data now indicates they fired up around 560 million years after the Universe got going.

"This difference of 140 million years might not seem that significant in the context of the 13.8-billion-year history of the cosmos, but proportionately it's actually a very big change in our understanding of how certain key events progressed at the earliest epochs," said Prof George Efstathiou, one of the leaders of the Planck Science Collaboration.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.com ...


TOPICS: Astronomy; Chit/Chat; Science
KEYWORDS: datestamp; first; planck; stars; universe
only off by 140 million? not bad for pikers.

it's a blink of an eye for G O D ..

and a kick in the schwartz for science

1 posted on 02/05/2015 1:55:50 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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What is clear from the Planck investigation is that the simplest models for how the super-rapid expansion might have worked are probably no longer tenable, suggesting some exotic physics will eventually be needed to explain it.

“We’re now being pushed into a parameter space we didn’t expect to be in,” said collaboration scientist Dr Andrew Jaffe from Imperial College, UK. “That’s OK. We like interesting physics; that’s why we’re physicists, so there’s no problem with that. It’s just we had this naïve expectation that the simplest answer would be right, and sometimes it just isn’t.”


2 posted on 02/05/2015 1:59:00 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

The young Earth = 6000 years old crowd is going to have a hard time with this.


3 posted on 02/05/2015 1:59:35 PM PST by CMB_polarization
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To: NormsRevenge

If the ‘Big Bang’ was in all directions from the starting point, more or less equally, then wouldn’t stars going in the opposite direction from our viewpoint seem to be ‘older’ than they actually are?..................


4 posted on 02/05/2015 2:00:23 PM PST by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: NormsRevenge

OK — So what took the universe so long to “get going?”


5 posted on 02/05/2015 2:04:32 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: NormsRevenge

Damn, that changes everything.


6 posted on 02/05/2015 2:12:21 PM PST by Smedley (It's a sad day for American capitalism when a man can't fly a midget on a kite over Central Park)
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To: Red Badger

“If the ‘Big Bang’ was in all directions from the starting point, more or less equally, then wouldn’t stars going in the opposite direction from our viewpoint seem to be ‘older’ than they actually are?..................”

Ya gotta get away from the “starting point” ref. Think of the surface of a balloon which is expanding. No matter what point you iz...all dose otta points am going away from U.

And dat’s the twuth!


7 posted on 02/05/2015 2:12:52 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Red Badger
"If the ‘Big Bang’ was in all directions from the starting point"

And wouldn't we be able to look in one direction in the universe and say "that's where it all started."

8 posted on 02/05/2015 2:19:34 PM PST by I am Richard Brandon
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To: NormsRevenge

We haven’t found the middle, and we haven’t found the edges. So that leaves us sorta pointing and shrugging.

What if there is no middle and no edges? What if it just goes on infinitely? That would mean that Whoever made it is...even bigger.


9 posted on 02/05/2015 2:20:35 PM PST by lurk
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To: I am Richard Brandon

and wouldn’t we be able to look in the opposite direction and see those same stars coming at us?...............


10 posted on 02/05/2015 2:22:35 PM PST by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: Da Coyote

and wouldn’t we be able to look in the opposite direction and see those same stars coming at us?...............


11 posted on 02/05/2015 2:22:57 PM PST by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: NormsRevenge
What happened to special relativity during the rapid expansion, ie, the mass of the matter as it was expanding at the speed of light (or close to it). That is a lot of matter moving across a very large space and very quickly too.

Obviously I don't understand but to get to where we (the mass of from supernova) are today looking back towards the origins of the universe means that matter had move across a very large space very quickly.

Space warp? Lol.

12 posted on 02/05/2015 2:26:54 PM PST by dhs12345
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To: CMB_polarization

For a group of that ridicules “faith” and places “science” upon their highest altar, scientists certainly place a lot faith in things they cannot directly observe.


13 posted on 02/05/2015 2:38:01 PM PST by Menthops (If you are reading this..... the GOPe hates you!)
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To: smokingfrog
OK — So what took the universe so long to “get going?”

Decaf in the caf pot?

14 posted on 02/05/2015 2:47:44 PM PST by Eaker (I'm a glass half-shattered kinda guy.)
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To: Eaker

15 posted on 02/05/2015 3:32:42 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Red Badger

16 posted on 02/05/2015 3:37:58 PM PST by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: lurk

Where da heck did all the space come from for this baby to bust forth into in the first place?

From a pinhead to a universe.. Just add H2O and Run Like heck!

Scales of time mask the immensity of our lack of understanding of this thing we call physical universe. Anything over billions of beers.. Uhhh... Years is pretty intensive to absorb as a mortal is my suspicion.. And our curse if you will.


17 posted on 02/05/2015 6:32:43 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

The latest polarization images resemble sunlight cast from the chrome rims of my spinning bicycle wheel. It is possible that the fossil “light” being observed is cast from a torus or ring, like the death star in the remastered version of Star Wars. To be the “big bang,” the original (older in either case) version of the death star explosion is needed.


18 posted on 02/07/2015 2:37:13 PM PST by Richard McBroom
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