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Ex-Players React: Brady's Cluelessness "Unbelievable"
NY Post ^ | 1-22-15 | Howie Kussoy

Posted on 01/23/2015 9:57:18 AM PST by Colehill1999

Edited on 01/23/2015 12:53:27 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]


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TOPICS: Sports
KEYWORDS: brady; colts; deflategate; patriots; superbowl; yawn
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yes. That is, after all, the proscribed punishment for knowingly using an underinflated football in an NFL game.

Or, I suppose they could get “real tough” and fine them $25,000 times 11.


21 posted on 01/23/2015 10:15:22 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: chris37
Who, specifically, on the Patriots staff cheated, when did they carry out the act of cheating, how did they carry it out, and did this person act under orders from any superior, and, if so, who?

"Will o one rid me of this troublesome football"

22 posted on 01/23/2015 10:15:32 AM PST by Stentor ("The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.")
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To: joesbucks
Actually, the Partiots should have to forfeit the win and their participation in the Super Bowl. Now could you imagine the outcry if that game wasn't played?

Play the game. Send the Colts. That is what would happen in high school football in Texas. You cheat, the other team advances.

23 posted on 01/23/2015 10:15:41 AM PST by 5thGenTexan
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To: chris37

And Barry Bonds was all natural, too.


24 posted on 01/23/2015 10:15:47 AM PST by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: joesbucks

They Pats cheated. But a 45-7 game means that the deflated ball issue really was a NON-issue.

But even if it meant the game; the game will stand.


25 posted on 01/23/2015 10:16:43 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (See Ya On The Road; Al Baby's Mom!)
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To: 11th Commandment

That’s what I thought at first as well, but apparently the league provides all the footballs used for the kicking game.

Kickers do not use the same footballs as the rest of the team.

For all games, eight new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer to the referee, are opened in the officials’ locker room two hours and 15 minutes before game time. Those balls are specially marked by the referee and used exclusively for the kicking game.


26 posted on 01/23/2015 10:18:13 AM PST by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Colehill1999

Do I believe the patriots cheated no. Do I believe they would fill them to the minimum in a warm room and let nature takes its course to gain an advantage yes. If the NFL rules that the balls are measured before the game and don’t allow for a change in temp that is the NFL’s fault they did not break the rules.


27 posted on 01/23/2015 10:18:42 AM PST by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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To: Colehill1999
I still wonder ... the balls are inflated INDOORS ... 70 degrees (probably). They can be from 11.5 to 13.5 psi. Brady likes them on the low end, so they inflate to 11.5. They check them, and they are within range. Then they take them outside where it is almost freezing temperature and the balls sit there waiting to be used, and later measured. The psi in the balls would fall below 11.5 for sure! (It's the gas laws, folks!). When they say they were under inflated, no one is saying by how much ... 11.4 psi would be "under-inflated".

If you have a newer car that shows you tire pressure ... you'll notice it is OK in the garage (where its warmer), but when you get outside or leave the car outside, the psi in the tires drop a few pounds. Same thing with anything "inflated" with AIR.

The key here is to inflate them with nitrogen instead of air ... wouldn't change the ball, but the psi would change only barely with temperature as the expansion/contraction with nitrogen is much less than "air." Or find out what the temperature differential is between "ambient" and "game environment" ... inflate just above the 11.5 knowing it will come down to the 11.5 the quarterback wants when the ball is at game temperature.

But for Patriot-haters and Colts fans ... what difference does science make ... Brady cheated!

(Makes great TV, but about as scientifically boring as man-made global warming).

28 posted on 01/23/2015 10:18:49 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag ($$$$$ Don't Defund the Government...Defund Obama and his illegal policies $$$$$)
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To: babygene
And so the doc said I had a temp.

Told him he's nuts.

He grabbed another digital thermometer...and voila...no temp.

Anything digital has to be constantly calibrated.

Now I know zip about football....but what is the process of filling and checking these.

29 posted on 01/23/2015 10:19:13 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: BipolarBob

Since they’re both tossing around the same ball in a play, I’m trying to see the advantage. Help me out.


30 posted on 01/23/2015 10:20:35 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: henkster

Colts linebacker did not say that.http://m.espn.go.com/nfl/story?storyId=12213533&src=desktop&rand=ref~%7B”ref”%3A”http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com”%7D


31 posted on 01/23/2015 10:21:04 AM PST by edzo4 (You call us the 'Party Of No', I call us the resistance.)
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To: Colehill1999

You left out MURDERERS.
Aaron Hernandez, former star of the NE Patriots................


32 posted on 01/23/2015 10:22:15 AM PST by Red Badger (If you compromise with evil, you just get more evil..........................)
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To: Colehill1999

If it is known they cheated to win the playoffs, why are they even still playing in the SB?


33 posted on 01/23/2015 10:22:48 AM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian. "I once was lost but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Colehill1999
Pats cheated. Period. Pats ARE cheaters. Period.

They likely cheted. They are proven cheaters in that they got caught, true. But not 'period'.

The epilogue here is the second half of that game against the Colts. And that is that anything that may have been done to the balls did not help the Patriots. And the proof is in the second half when they were using regulation, fully inflated balls.

The Pats outscored the Colts 28-0 in the second half. Explain how deflated footballs helped the Patriots in that half.

34 posted on 01/23/2015 10:23:08 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Life and death are but temporary states. But Freedom endures forever.)
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To: BipolarBob

Perhaps if one team knows that there is the difference and the other team does not, and cannot consciously adjust accordingly, there would be at least a slight advantage.


35 posted on 01/23/2015 10:24:51 AM PST by Hieronymus ( (It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged. --G.K. Chesterton))
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To: babygene

***I don’t think that’s clear. There are ways that this could happened quite accidentally.***

Explain please. They’ve ruled out that the temperature had anything to do with it because the Colts balls weren’t deflated.

It would be a really bad thing if the NFL had released a report a day after the game saying that 11 Patriots balls were deflated, if they hadn’t examined them properly. You don’t release a report with a preliminary finding.


36 posted on 01/23/2015 10:28:44 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: BipolarBob

I’ve heard that it used to be that way, and then they changed that to suit some QBs, namely Peyton Manning and Tom Brady petitioned for the change.


37 posted on 01/23/2015 10:31:48 AM PST by FamiliarFace
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

It wasn’t freezing that night. Wasn’t close. But I do see your point.


38 posted on 01/23/2015 10:32:04 AM PST by cld51860 (Volo pro veritas)
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To: chris37
Who, specifically, on the Patriots staff cheated, when did they carry out the act of cheating, how did they carry it out, and did this person act under orders from any superior, and, if so, who?

One name that hasn't been mentioned in the sports media to this point is Josh McDaniels QB coach and offensive co-ordinator. He was the coach of the Denver Broncos until he was fired by Pat Bowlen ... for two reasons, #1) he lost the confidence of his players and the team went into a losing streak, #2) he got caught up in a scandal in London when one of his staff was caught taping the opponents practice session at Wembley Stadium (which may have some bearing on #1).
Josh McDaniels has a long history with Belichick and apparently has learned his lesson well.

39 posted on 01/23/2015 10:32:25 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: Hieronymus
To be effective, for any team, they would have had to practice with deflated balls.

Deflated balls??? Ask the expert......George

40 posted on 01/23/2015 10:33:16 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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