Something About The Way She Died Part 2

BirtherReport.com ^ | November 10, 2014 | Linda Jordan

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Something About The Way She Died Part 2 by Linda Jordan

On January 6, 2014 we were told that Hawaii Department of Health Director Loretta Fuddy, a central player in the production of Barack Obama’s controversial birth certificate , died from cardiac arrhythmia after the small plane she was in had to make an emergency ocean landing.

In September 2014 a recently discovered report, from a Maui Police Detective, revealed that Fuddy’s heart wasn't the problem after all. The Medical Examiner concluded she had drowned, in spite of the fact that all witness accounts say she was in a life jacket that kept her afloat.

Now, it’s November 2014 and I have just reviewed a debriefing report from a Commander with the United States Coast Guard (USCG) who was part of the rescue effort after the ocean ditching. This report says that Loretta Fuddy died from “severe internal injuries”.

I include the relevant part of the debriefing below.

[CpnHook]

Two falsehoods in one sentence. You must be getting excited.

What falsehood? This has been my major point on eligibility: --

But, come now, Hawaii's verification of Obama's birth facts is HIGHLY RELEVANT to the question of Obama's birth; so relevant, in fact, that it moots your inquiry into things like "photos of the birth home" or "persons who witnessed Stanley Ann pregnant" (though Dr. Sinclair obviously was one such person). --

And you've never addressed it. So the charge you lack the intellectual capacity and/or forthrightness to do so is quite true.

I'm not excitd, I'm bored.

As to the rest, you're just repeating stuff I answered multiple times on the prior thread.

[CpnHook]

It appears that Fantasywriter is unable or unwilling to respond succinctly to a very uncomplicated yes or no question. Oh well, I tried.

Awwww, you're not hitting stride until you've asked that poster 20 or 30 times.

[shibumi]

"Which is it - 1, 2, 3, or 4?"

How 'bout I don't play your straw man game?

Suppose I pick Option #5?

Maybe if we think about it without deciding ahead of time what the outcome should be we'll come up with option #6.

Or maybe "None Of The Above."

(Hat tip to CpnHook for Option #5.)

[4Zoltan]

Where in 841-3 or 841-4 does it say that sworn witness statements are required to be taken in a complete investigation?

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/histatutes/5/38/841/841-3

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/histatutes/5/38/841/841-4

[CpnHook]

Thanks.

Btw, I liked your "third option" earlier --

There is a third possibility.,
>
The inconsistencies are there.
They are obvious.
And they are being left there on purpose.
>Because
The "other side" thinks it's funny to watch the conspiracy theorists run around making fools out of themselves.

Though a "conspiracy to fake a conspiracy to fake a death" might just take it out one to many levels. :)

[butterdezillion]

It is not Yamamoto who did the dirty to qet the fake BC installed where it is now. It was Fuddy who knows exactly what she did, and who helped her to do it. That’s also why the reqime needs her alive - so she can help them know who and what needs to disappear if somebody starts snoopinq the riqht places.

You’re sayinq that before there was any autopsy and no witnesses had been questioned, they assumed everythinq was fine so they switched a potential murder case to an “outside assistance” investiqation of property damaqe, claiminq that HRS 481-3 was not in effect - all in the name of savinq money?

Methinks you are really, REALLY stretchinq.

Why not just disband the MCPD all toqether? That would save a heckuva lot of money, as lonq as truth and the rule of law doesn’t matter...

[Fantasywriter]

Congratulations! You just won the award!

The award for being the most irrationally pro-Oboama Obot on the site.

The competition looked stiff there for a while. But then you exerted yourself and proved just how deep into silliness one person can go in an effort to make a pathological liar look honest.

Bad news: Obama still looks like a pathological liar.

Good news: he has no finer defender on this site than you.

Again, congratulations. You...you’ve earn it.

[CpnHook]

(Yawn) So much effort to avoid answering my point about the Hawaii verifications.

Is that the best you can do?

[butterdezillion]

Those with knowledqe of a death in these circumstances are required to report what they know to the coroner under whose jurisdiction the death falls, and what they report is required to be qiven under oath with the statement transcribed.

I can’t believe the contortions you quys are qoinq throuqh in order to try to say that you can have a “complete investiqation” without ever talkinq to witnesses - even thouqh Chief Faaumu acknowledqes that if HRS 841-3 was in effect it would be required.

You quys are the ones accusinq the MCPD of beinq either idiots or liars. What is your evidence to support that?

[Nero Germanicus]

I’d prefer an independent prosecutor to prosecute the crimes that Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Bob Bauer, John Brennan and others have committed in order to put - and keep - him in the White House. It took a whole stinkin’ system to commit these crimes aqainst we the people, and the system needs a qood cleaninq.

And then we need to fiqure out effective ways to hold the system accountable to the people so that this never happens aqain.
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The Independent Counsel authorizing statute was abolished in 1999. Without new legislation, only Eric Holder can appoint an Independent Counsel.
It has been Select Committees which collect the evidence to trigger the appointment of special prosecutors. Even a left wing nutcase like Janet Reno was forced to appoint Judge Kenneth Starr to look into all of Bill Clinton’s scandals which eventually resulted in his impeachment.

From Wikipedia: “A select or special committee of the United States Congress is a congressional committee appointed to perform a special function that is beyond the authority or capacity of a standing committee. A select committee is usually created by a resolution that outlines its duties and powers and the procedures for appointing members. Select and special committees are often investigative in nature, rather than legislative, though some select and special committees have the authority to draft and report legislation.”
“In the 1st Congress (1789–1791), the House appointed roughly 220 select committees over the course of two years. By the 3rd Congress (1793–95), Congress had three permanent standing committees, the House Committee on Elections, the House Committee on Claims, and the Joint Committee on Enrolled Bills, but more than 350 select committees. While the modern committee system is now firmly established in both House and Senate procedure, with the rules of each House establishing a full range of permanent standing committees and assigning jurisdiction of all legislative issues among them, select committees continue to be used to respond to unique and difficult issues as the need arises.”
I favor a Select Committee first and a Special Prosecutor second. Select Committees always trigger huge media attention to an issue.

[Fantasywriter]

Since I’m giving out awards, you get one too.

For asking a very, very stupid question, and for asking it something close to a thousand times.

I.e.: all told, you have posed that same idiotic question about the House investigative panel more times than anyone can count.

So this award recognizes the combo. It’s not just the idiocy of the question or the frequency with which you ask it, it’s the two combined.

Congratulations. You worked hard for this award. Receive it with pride.

[Fantasywriter]

Omc, are you ok? A whole post, and the closest you came to jerkishness was a yawn.

Now I’m worried. Are you doing alright, or is there cause for concern?

[butterdezillion]

What other loqical options are there for why HRS 841-3 would not be in effect - which is what Chief Faaumu said? What are the requirements in HRS 841-3 that could possibly not be met in order for an alleqed fatality to not qualify for HRS 841-3?

§841-3 Duties. As soon as any coroner or deputy coroner has notice of the death of any person within the coroner’s or deputy coroner’s jurisdiction as the result of violence, or as the result of any accident, or by suicide, or suddenly when in apparent health, or when unattended by a physician, or in prison, or in a suspicious or unusual manner, or within twenty-four hours after admission to a hospital or institution, the coroner or deputy coroner shall forthwith inquire into and make a complete investigation of the cause of the death.

Any person who becomes aware of the death of any person under any of the circumstances set forth above shall immediately notify the coroner or deputy coroner of the known facts concerning the time, place, manner, and circumstances of the death.

Any person who fails to report the death of a person under circumstances covered herein shall be subject to a fine of not more than $100. [L 1935, c 90, §3; RL 1945, §10903; am L 1949, c 355, §1; RL 1955, §260-3; HRS §715-3; ren L 1972, c 9, pt of §1; am L 1977, c 153, §1; gen ch 1985]

(found at http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol14_Ch0701-0853/HRS0841/HRS_0841-0003.htm )
Skip the emotional hysterics, look at the statute, and tell me what the other options are:

[butterdezillion]

There were no Hawaii verifications. Onaka never put his seal on any document even claiminq to verify either birth facts or a valid BC for Obama. Never.

Fuddy put her seal but not her siqnature.

Onaka’s subordinate put an Onaka siqnature stamp and initials to make sure everybody knew it was NOT Onaka who had siqned anythinq but no seal.

There is nothinq that is certified to the standard of Full Faith and Credit. And there is nothinq that verifies any birth fact for Obama - a fact which in itself shows that they CAN’T verify any birth facts.

So stop talkinq about verification as if it’s actually somethinq that happened. The only thinq that is verified is that HI was asked to verify birth facts, was required to verify birth facts if they could, and never did.

[shibumi]

Actually I’m not suggesting a conspiracy to fake a conspiracy.

I’m suggesting that they are simply not going out of their way to explain things since they’re having more fun watching others try to conflate theories.

[CpnHook]

It is not Yamamoto who did the dirty to qet the fake BC installed where it is now.

But a witness to a crime still gets subpoenaed to testify about knowledge of the crime, which is a bad thing for the wrongdoer. Yamamoto doesn't have to be an active conspirator to be in a position to implicate the others. So the Regime's threats and/or bribes have worked to silence every Congressman, Media figure, judge -- but those same threats might not persuade Loretta Fuddy to keep the secret? But, yet, at the same time, Yamamoto can be left in place and counted on to keep silent?

Right.

That’s also why the reqime needs her alive - so she can help them know who and what needs to disappear if somebody starts snoopinq the riqht places.

And who would stand to pose that risk? We're talking 5 years into the Obama Presidency at that point. All 200+ legals challenges had been tossed (and the few remaining completely stalled). The Congress has shown no inclination to go down this path (and confirmed the Electoral College votes twice unanimously). The Media treats Birtherism with neglect at best, but often scorn. Hawaii had told Zullo and the CCP to take a hike years ago.

The idea that the Regime suddenly had some urgent need to whisk her away lacks any semblance of a motive.

Methinks you are really, REALLY stretchinq.

Gosh, if I keep this up, I might eventually get to the outer stratosphere of stretching, where there's a conspiracy to fake a death, for no ostensible reason, where all of her friends and family at the "fake funeral" would have to be 'in on it,' as well as a host of persons in Hawaii govt., as well as the TV station, as well as the Coast Guard, as well as likely the NTSB.

Right. I'm stretching.

[butterdezillion]

You don’t know what the CCP has.

[butterdezillion]

They’re enjoyinq watchinq folks claim that applyinq loqic to their statements is just way too extreme, ridiculous, embarrassinq, and conspiratorial.

Yeah, loqic is pretty far-out stuff. Only the “crazies” in this current world would ever be extreme enouqh to ever use it...

[CpnHook]

There were no Hawaii verifications.

Oh, good grief. On Hawaii DOH letterhead (several times) this was affirmed:

I verify the following:
A birth certificate is on file with the Department of Health indicating that Barack Hussein Obama, II was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.

Now, to most any person who can read a simple declarative sentence, that is a statement by which Hawaii has verified Obama's Hawaiian birth.

But in the same mind by which autopsies aren't really autopsies and funerals aren't really funerals, the simple declaration "A birth certificate is on file with the Department of Health indicating that Barack Hussein Obama, II was born in Honolulu, Hawaii" doesn't purport to say ANYTHING about Obama's birth.

Right.

Onaka never put his seal on any document even claiminq to verify either birth facts or a valid BC for Obama.

A seal might be necessary in order for a document to be self-authenticating and thus admissible hearsay in a court case, but it's not necessary in correspondence between state officials where no legal case is present and where there's no question that the document is a genuinely from the state agency.

There is nothinq that is certified to the standard of Full Faith and Credit

And what standard is that? The FF&C clause speaks of "state records." Onaka affirmed the existence of an "original birth certificate" in Hawaii's vital records and he affirmed the critical item of information (birthplace). That makes it a state record under the FF&C clause. If there is some other requirement listed in the Constitution, kindly identify it.

And there is nothinq that verifies any birth fact for Obama

I see something:

I verify the following:
A birth certificate is on file with the Department of Health indicating that Barack Hussein Obama, II was born in Honolulu, Hawaii.

There it is. Right there. First thing of substance he says. Point blank. Obvious. Undeniable.

So stop talkinq about verification as if it’s actually somethinq that happened.

So what? The media reports chronicling AZ's requests and HA's reply were some great hallucination? Your argument they don't exist is just silly when I'm looking at them.

[CpnHook]

You don’t know what the CCP has.

Given:

*They have not conducted the investigation as a true criminal investigation (e.g., they refused the offers of some to give contrary (exculpatory) evidence, which is ethically requited);
*They have made repeated promises of "great things" which have been a total bust;
*They have utilized as their near "official spokesperson" an evangelical preacher, which is simply ludicrous;
*The Maricopa County D.A. has told them that their supposed evidence of Obama identify fraud isn't evidence of a crime, let alone evidence of anything occurring in Maricopa County for which the CCP has jurisdiction:
*Apraio has been recorded stating (with apparent mirth) that going down the Birther path would be a huge fundraising gambit;
*Apraio has not said one peep about some "universe shattering" information they have or will reveal; he's just repeated the refrain that no one will consider their birth certificate "evidence' and they are trying to ID the "forger."
*that supposing they had unearthed some "great evidence," to sit on that for a year and not involve the prosecuting agency that actually has jurisdiction so that they have input on the evidentiary trail would be utterly irresponsible. It's about ego and money for the CCP.

So, based on these, plus some other things, I have a high degree of confidence the CCP has nothing of significance.