Posted on 10/02/2014 7:04:19 PM PDT by Kartographer
If I had been in the seat on the flight to the USA next to this infected man, I would be very concerned regardless of what the CDC says.
Awaiting the naysayers.
Your source is basically making the argument that any virus contained in saliva or mucous will be contagious by sneezing. Yet the argument that Ebola is not contagious in such a manner isn’t theoretical but observational.
Several of them look like they are having a very good time, if you know what I mean.
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I am less worried about the suicide Ebola scenario than I am the homicide variant.
Boko Haram comes to mind.
Kidnap a known early patient, then release them when truly symptomatic, spewing blood, into a population center. Schools and open air markets come to mind. The carrier may not even know their plans... much more likely to make contact with people if they are told they are being released .. “we pity you, go find help”
Many will simply run away not knowing the danger they are already in.
Sounds just like how Ebola is transmitted...doesn't it?
Interesting article the other day making the case the black death was not bubonic plague but rather a hemorrhagic fever...
I think the folks of Liberia would classify this outbreak as pandemic with a significant mortality rate. Our isolation breeds some disconnect from the true severity of what’s happening.
I'm waiting for the first suicide bomber who gets himself injected with Ebola serum and waits until he starts showing symptoms, then straps on his bomb and blows himself up in a public place like a train station, movie theater, etc. Especially since the injured people are going to get medical help first and test the blood later if ever, that's gonna spread it like crazy.
My source is the CDC.
When an infection does occur in humans, the virus can be spread in several ways to others. Ebola is spread through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with blood or body fluids (including but not limited to urine, saliva, feces, vomit, and semen) of a person who is sick with Ebola
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/
What is your Source?
For some reason a number of people on this thread donot understand that Ebola can be transmitted via saliva.
When an infection does occur in humans, the virus can be spread in several ways to others. Ebola is spread through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with
blood or body fluids (including but not limited to urine, saliva, feces, vomit, and semen) of a person who is sick with Ebola.
http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/
Droplet precautions are three feet.
When an infection does occur in humans, the virus can be spread in several ways to others. Ebola is spread through direct contact (through broken skin or mucous membranes) with blood or body fluids (including but not limited to urine, saliva, feces, vomit, and semen) of a person who is sick with Ebola
Kartographer, what I have found interesting/frightening is that some doctors indicated that you do not need a break in the skin as a port of entry—Ebola seems to be able to infect thru unbroken skin, which is one of the reasons the workers in Africa cover every square inch of their bodies. I don’t have sources, but perhaps other do.
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Yep - those who claim it isn't airborne may as well tell us that smog isn't airborne either - eventually, the particles will settle....
I also don't buy that it cannot be spread pre-symptoms. Being symptomatic makes it easier to spread, but the virus is still in the system before the symptoms appear. If someone blows his nose then touches a water faucet, I would wager that if the next person touches same faucet in the next few minutes, there is a transfer of the virus...
As a young man, I often listed to port, but that was only after one too many beers.
The problem with the data in the OP is that it’s essentially describing the conditions where a microbe that has been defined or described as airborne may be transmitted. In other words, the aerosols generated by sneezing are what transmit airborne viruses, bacteria, and fungi already.
The OP is the definition of “airborne transmission” in other words. See here: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airborne_disease
Now with all that said, it would appear Ebola cannot be transmitted even in the tiny aerosolized droplets of a sneeze IF indeed its not airborne. The CDC has said it’s not airborne. So assuming they are telling the truth, (which I’ll grant with today’s fedgov who can really trust anything they say) sneezes can’t transmit the virus.
Otherwise the definition of “airborne” has no real meaning.
PARAPHRASING SOCRATES, THE CDC ADMITES THAT ALL THEY KNOW IS THAT THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT EBOLA.
Preventive Medicine Expert: Obama ‘Underplaying’ Ebola Risk
on Breitbart TV 2 Oct 2014
Dr. Elizabeth Lee Vliet, a preventive medical specialist who practices in Texas and Arizona, who has served as Adjunct Associate Professor in Family Medicine at the University of Arizona College of Medicine, Assistant Professor in Family Medicine at Eastern Virginia Medical School, and Medical Director for the Women’s Program at Maryview Hospital accused the government of “underplaying the risk” of the Ebola virus, and seemed to argue that flights from countries with large Ebola outbreaks should not be allowed into the US on Thursday’s broadcast of “The Laura Ingraham Show.”
Dr. Vliet said that the government is not doing everything it could to protect Americans from the virus. Speaking on the prospect of a flight ban and the contention that only individuals who are showing symptoms of the virus can transmit it, she said “viruses mutate and change, and so to say anything with 100% certainty when you are dealing with viruses that change is medically irresponsible.” And that “no one can say with 100% certainty” when someone becomes infectious, and this is the reason why European nations have halted flights from countries like Liberia.
She further wondered why the American recently diagnosed with Ebola was not stopped, asking “why wasn’t he stopped at customs, why wasn’t he screened then, why wasn’t he quarantined as they’re doing in other countries?”
Dr. Vliet also declared that President Obama is “underplaying the risk to Americans, and I think when we have evidence going back to the Reston lab accident in Virginia a couple decades ago, of potential airborne transmission, the Canadian government has said that airborne transmission was strongly suspected [we should be more cautious].”
She reported that Canadian health advisories on the virus scrubbed their mentions of the potential for airborne transmission of the virus even though the data did not change, “I printed out the Canadian public health advisory back in June. There is a statement in their report that airborne transmission was strongly suspected based upon the 2012 Canadian study with a transmission between two species [pigs and monkeys] that were not in physical contact…I just re-printed the Canadian advisory this week, lo and behold, that statement has been taken out…the medical data did not change,” she said.
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Posted on 10/03/2014 6:22:11 AM PDT by Dqban22
I would say that the number of health care works that have caught it despite their training and protective garments would tell us that there is definitely some form of transmission that is not understood or being considered. Also this is it even if the protective procedures are not being followed to the letter how much better are they protected compared to the average person oa plane, subway, elevator......
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