Franz Liszt was an outrageous hippie. Musicians!! Bah!! Get a job!!!
Posted on 08/30/2014 11:23:12 AM PDT by EveningStar
Glenn Cornick, the original bassist for Jethro Tull, passed away August 29 at his home in Hilo, Hawaii. He was 67. Billboard reports that Cornick died of congestive heart failure and had been receiving hospice care recently. Cornick was a founding member of Jethro Tull, appearing on their first three albums before departing the group in 1970.
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I consider that horse and buggy thinking.
Franz Liszt was an outrageous hippie. Musicians!! Bah!! Get a job!!!
Actually in the 60s the long hair thing hit.
You might have ass-u-med they were hippies but they might not have been. The thing people that stay in “the culture” don’t really understand is there’s really no such thing as THE Counter Culture. Counter Culture is always multiple “groups” with various themes, and there’s folks that just don’t want to be in the main culture but are otherwise unaligned.
Somebody with long hair in the 60s or 70s could have been a hippie, or a freak, or an outlaw biker, or just not into the whole “normal” thing. And it’s worth noting that neither the freaks nor the bikers generally liked the hippies. So you’re assuming they were hippies probably irritated more than a few of them, something generally safe to do with the freaks, not a good hobby with the bikers.
It wasn’t as simple as you’re saying. You just like a small world with tiny boxes and a lot of willful ignorance.
Not academic, I’m expected to produce results.
Tiny Tim, probably not, he was more of an all around freak, but probably unaligned as an outsider. Just a weird looking dude who realized he’d never fit in.
George Harrison, depends on the drugs for the day.
Monkees, not mostly, maybe Nesmith a little. The prefab 4 were way too corporate for any politics. Heck they didn’t even really have long hair.
CSNY, Jimi, and Abie, well yeah.
But also on the not list the members of Black Sabbath, Blue Cheer, Iggy and the Stooges, as and far as anybody can tell Jethro Tull. Plus of course Hells Angels, and Mothers of Invention. And many many others who were freaks, bikers, or just plain didn’t feel like being normal, which included me for about 20 years. Never a hippie, always a weirdo.
It’s a wide world filled with things and people that don’t fit narrow definitions. Sad you can’t be part of it.
RIP.
Franz List lived in the 1960’s?
Who knew?
“Actually in the 60s the long hair thing hit.”
Yes. They were hippies.
All of them.
How are you differentiating hippies?
The hippie (or hippy) subculture was originally a youth movement that arose in the United States during the mid-1960s and spread to other countries around the world. The word 'hippie' came from hipster, and was initially used to describe beatniks who had moved into New York City's Greenwich Village and San Francisco's Haight-Ashbury district. The origins of the terms hip and hep are uncertain, though by the 1940s both had become part of African American jive slang and meant "sophisticated; currently fashionable; fully up-to-date". The Beats adopted the term hip, and early hippies inherited the language and countercultural values of the Beat Generation. Hippies created their own communities, listened to psychedelic music, embraced the sexual revolution, and used drugs such as cannabis, LSD, and psilocybin mushrooms to explore altered states of consciousness.
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It was a culture of (bad) values brought over from beatniks and the jazz world. That's the part you seem to miss entirely.
You see a fashion accoutrement (long hair) and think you've got "hippie" defined in its entirety. Fact is, some folks with long hair (Frank Zappa) hated the hippie values. Some with short hair (Hugh Hefner) supported the hippie values.
The hair is not nearly as important as you think it is.
Socialists. Free love. Tie-dye. It’s actually pretty easy to spot the difference between the hippies and the rest of the counter culture long hairs if you bother to pay even a little bit of attention.
Wrong.
Kerouac. Cassady (huge Deadhead). Burroughs.
Not hippies.
Ginsberg. Hippy. He grew long hair and a beard.
Try to focus. We are talking long hair in the sixties.
Name names.
Who were hippies in the 60’s.
Were there actually any?
Sorry to waste your time. I’ve figured it out: you’ve never been wrong in your entire life, have you? You just argue nonsense until you “win”.
Enjoy the victory.
Perfectly focused. I told the willfully ignorant guy how to differentiate hippies, just like he asked, and he is now pretending I didn’t because that would prove him wrong. Much like how he studiously ignored the Zappa quotes I gave him earlier.
Face it. You’re wrong. We’ve proven it. And all your further blather is just denial, which we all know isn’t just the longest river in Africa.
Sorry. I thought you meant now.
You are still wrong. Hippies simply had long hair. They could be anything.
It was a style.
I don’t care about revisionist academic crapola about true hippies.
Or sub sets of freaks vs hippies a socialist folk musician vs Jesus people or blah blah blah.
If your granddad was driving down the street in 1967 and saw a guy with hair down to his shoulders he wouldnt say, oh, that’s a freak vs a hippie.
He’d say there goes a hippie
Stupid hippie cut your hair (that’s a nice clean version of it).
Why must you keep arguing? You’ve been proven wrong. So now not only are you rude, and a liar, you’re just plain dumb.
Well we’re done. Everyone, including you, knows you’re wrong. Have the last word, I’m sure it will be pointless.
The long hair thing began with the Fab Four (aka “the Mop Tops”). Next I saw was Beatle-wigs. Some kids came to my parochial grammar school wearing them.
Look at pictures of the times of the JFK assassination. All you will see on men is crew cuts. Fast forward to the Summer of Love. Four short years later. The entire spectrum of male society had let their hair down.
Yes. You had to look up Kerouac and Burroughs and Cassady I figure.
Ginsberg too, probably.
Maybe you can read more about infinite labeling in whatever Douglas Brinkley writes next.
Or watch the classic hippie movie 200 Motels.
No. Your time frame is fast. You are right, but it didn’t happen By 1967.
By the early 70’s most of the younger males, yes. By mid late 70’s it was ubiquitous.
I was there. I was also in the area where it caught on first, the SF Bay area.
I can look at my old Jr High and High School yearbooks and see the transition.
Actually, the Brady Bunch is a good representative. In 1969 it began. It took a couple years for their hair to grow out and the dad to get the perm fro.
Baseball cards also. Ross Grimsley is a classic.
You take this too seriously, as if there is an actual definition of hippie.
I am totally aware of the social history where hippies were centered around the Haight Ashbury district of San Francisco and included groups such as the Diggers etc......
But, if you know this history, in 1967 they held a ceremony called the death of hip when they proclaimed the hippie movement dead.
So if we want to get all academic and high faluting, there were no hippies after 1967.
But we know there were.
Let me just remind you, the ‘60s ended on Dec 31, 1969. Everything since has been the aftermath. The children of the ‘70s were the little brothers and sisters of the Woodstock generation. They were just trying to live in the afterglow. Double check your yearbooks, it happened that fast. In fact, one might say it was a “happening”. To this day, there has been nothing even close to how fast that “counter-culture movement” took hold.
Getting back to long hair = hippie. I guess you are now arguing that the Brady Bunch were hippies?
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