Is this the same pootie Pooh that Bush had his soul Mate moment with?
I will hold to my original opinion;
This was a clear case of:
“Hey comrade, hold my bottle of vodka and Watch THIS....”
SA-11?
That’s some mighty interesting hardware to be in the hands of a rebel.
It this the same Irish woman, married to Cass Sunstein, who has is bringing her vast military prowess to bear? Amazing that suddenly this worthless woman, architect of intervention WITHOUT national interest is being listened to by any conservative. Shes a blithering idiot.
I don’t see what difference it makes. A Russian missile fired by a Russian with Putin’s backing, no matter where he was.
These types of missiles are, while not cutting edge, still sophisticated enough that it takes some knowledge and training to operate. The idea that the Putin’s gangsters and thugs didn’t assist Putin’s proxies in Ukraine is absurd. It is a measure of just how successful the Ukrainians have been in beating back Putin’s proxies that the former KGB thug authorized the use of missiles capable of taking down an aircraft at 33,000 feet. For Putinistas, this should be a moment of pride. Putin had been seen as wavering from his goal of reestablishing the Soviet/Russian empire. This is good evidence for them that he’s doing it on the sly, wink, wink, nod, nod. He’s still got that ambiguity going with plausible denial. His dupes and fans can still say he had nothing to do with it.
U.S. Ambassador Samantha Power - I stopped right there.
Someone should ask him why Russia allows civilian aircraft to fly over Donetsk which is bordered on 3 sides by Russia.
I’m not sure what difference it would make who actually fired the missile that brought down the aircraft. I don’t know anyone who believes that this incident involved the deliberate downing of a civilian aircraft (every indication is that the culprits thought they were shooting at a military jet) ... which means the Ukrainians/Russians will simply join a growing list of military forces — including the United States — who have done this sort of thing.
“New intelligence seen by the New York Times, suggest a surface to air missile on Monday shot down a Ukranian military plane from inside Russia’s borders – just days before MH17 was blown apart.”
So planes are being shot down and airlines STILL fly over the area like it’s no big deal...
By the say, the Buk system was developed in 1979, there were certainly PLENTY of them in Ukraine when the Soviet Union broke up.
Yawn.
The distraction’s not working on me.
In other news, I have this event to thank for finding this
http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/world/
Apparently you can fly against specific defensive systems
http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=103674
Looks like a cool game/simulation.
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I’m really tiring of the news cycle being overrun with this garbage and supplanting the proper place of the border ‘crisis’ perpetrated by our own ‘Puti’
(I write that sardonically, as there is no comparison to Putin from the Puppet save for the fact that the Puppet should be getting just as much negative attention for the ‘refugee’ crisis here...i.e., ‘the press’...but he’s NOT)
So, is the NYT going to be the preferred platform for starting the "could've" spate of obfuscating "data"?
If we have proof the Russians did it, I doubt we will disclose it. Obama doesn’t want to do what that requires.
This isn’t a rifle, there is a procedure to fire the missile.
The real question is “Did they really know what they were shooting at?”
The next is who shot the missile?
..........Donald Rumsfeld was indicted for War Crimes and now can’t travel to many countries for fear of being arrested.
Putin should not only be indicted but arrested and put on trial and then, like Hussein, hung if found guilty by an International Court.
Much like Clintoon bombed the aspirin factory to divert attention away from blue dress gate.
I am a trained radar operator from the 70’s
AN/TPQ-10 and AN/TYA-3
these were not fire control systems, they were long range monitoring (AN/TYA-3) and radar guided bombing (AN/TPQ-10)
the methods of control for the Q-10 would be similar, and this was 1950’s to 1960’s technology
a 4 pulse signal would be sent out, 4 separate signals out of the same antenna, 4 cones of a radar signal, where each of the 4 cones would intersect in the center
think of 4 circles that intersect in the center, think of the olympics symbol, instead of 5 circles, think of 4
I believe we called it a 4-pulse feedhorn array
once we aquired the aircraft on radar, we would move by handwheel, the direction of the radar, moving the radar antenna to face the signal return by moving the radar in it’s azimuth (left to right ) and then it’s elevation (up and down)
when the signal was centered on the intersection of the 4 pulse array, we would flick a switch and the radar would lock on to the aircraft.
the length of time it took for the pulse to generate and return, we would know the distance from the antenna, think of a hypotenuse of a triangle, using math to just measure that time difference between signal sent to signal return at the speed of light...
the radar would have electronic measurement of it’s elevation angle, so we would know how high it was pointed in the sky.
using a surveyor, would would program in the ground location by coordinates of where the radar was physically at and which end was north, what angle the base was pointed at, so the computer system would know which way was north and how the radar was oriented.
knowing where the radar was, and knowing where the aircraft was using the math of the radar return and distance and angle from the radar antenna (slant range, azimuth and elevation), we had a map and a display that would show where the aircraft was in the air.
we woould then direct it to the target, tell him what speed to fly at, what altitude and when to drop his bombs.
Isaac Newton would do the rest, the time of fall from an altitude is a simple physics problem for high school students, and the known speed the aircraf was flying at when it dropped its bombs, we directed it by voice vector to the target, told him when to drop his bombs to hit a target that the pilot was just flying over at the speed and altitude we told him to.
That would get a plane shot down nowadays, but here is my point:
radar systems are much more complicated today, not for the operator, but for the system of control. slewing the radar by azimuth to send out a signal to locate an aircraft might still be possible, but locking on to it using a multiple pulse feedhorn array, or whatever newer array, would be automatic now, controlled by digital systems, not tubes and contactors as my system did.
the training to run this system was 6 weeks, and I learned 2 other systems, the UYQ-3 and the TYA-3, running the radar TPQ-10 was not that hard, what was hard was monitoring and recording the degrees of error they were off the track and direction and recorded altitude and airspeed at the time of dropping their ordanance.
thatall means, a 20 year old Russian kid could have hit the switch.
he would have had a senior NCO as his boss, maybe a 27 year old guy, with a 28 or 30 year old officer being the one who most likely hit the launch button.
they would have had a 10 man unit who set up the radar, ran the electrical power and a/c cooling, drove the trucks to get there, a surveyor to locate the radar or use a GPS system instead. Most likely in this modern world, a gps system to locate the radar to within 3 feet so it knows where it is.
The radar would be sending signals out, receiving signals back, telling the radar where the aircraft is. The missile would be receiving correction signals to direct it’s flight to the target, all controlled by computer, and since the civilian airliner would be flying in a straight line, this would be an easy shootdown, all you would have to do it hit it 1/2 way of full capability of the warhead and that 777 would fall down go boom.
while a novice could not walk up and power this type of missile launcher, most likely each person who ran it was under 30