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The Army Wants a More Potent Sidearm
neveryetmelted ^

Posted on 07/05/2014 12:47:51 PM PDT by virgil283

"Soldiers who have served in Iraq and Afghanistan have complained that the 9mm round is not powerful enough to be effective in combat.

“The 9mm doesn’t score high with soldier feedback,” said Easlick, explaining that the Army, and the other services, want a round that will have better terminal effects — or cause more damage — when it hits enemy combatants.

One of the major goals of the MHS effort is to adopt a pistol chambered for a more potent round than the current 9mm, weapons officials said. ..."

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: army; banglist; sidearm
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.....The sidearm they need has already been invented.;
1 posted on 07/05/2014 12:47:51 PM PDT by virgil283
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To: virgil283
God Bless John Moses Browning.

/johnny

2 posted on 07/05/2014 12:48:49 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: virgil283

You’ll shoot yer eye out with that thing.


3 posted on 07/05/2014 12:51:09 PM PDT by BipolarBob (Obama - The Scandal a Week President.)
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To: virgil283

No matter what caliber they choose, they’re probably still stuck with an FMJ.


4 posted on 07/05/2014 12:52:18 PM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: virgil283

With the right bullets, the 9mm is a fine round. The problem is the military will not use them. I think I have read that they have the right to use them but for some reason will not.

If you must stick to fmj bullets then a .45 is preferable. The old 1911 is fine but I think we can do better now. Maybe the new Sig double column mag. model would do.


5 posted on 07/05/2014 12:52:50 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: virgil283

Unfortunately that would mean admitting a mistake - something government minions very rarely do. Instead they’ll spend millions on a study, then more millions on research and development, then still more millions on a pilot project, then the whole thing will get whacked in a budget deal.


6 posted on 07/05/2014 12:53:36 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: virgil283
Lots of comments here.
7 posted on 07/05/2014 12:55:02 PM PDT by Hoodat (Proverbs 29:2)
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To: virgil283

Just use a 22-250!


8 posted on 07/05/2014 12:56:29 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: virgil283

I carried that while I was in the service, but if I was to be separated from my APC, I would be looking hard for an M14.


9 posted on 07/05/2014 12:56:58 PM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Indeed


10 posted on 07/05/2014 12:57:17 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: virgil283

John Moses Browning invented the Army’s more potent sidearm 103 years ago! It replaced the anemic Colt Single Action Army (SAA) that was chambered in .38 Colt.


11 posted on 07/05/2014 12:59:10 PM PDT by wjcsux ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: umgud

IIRC, JHP round are prohibited by the Geneva Convention.

Is it any wonder why we don’t win wars anymore?


12 posted on 07/05/2014 1:00:13 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: virgil283
The shift from the 1911 was never about combat performance. It was all about giving Europe a contract and having a pistol to fit female-sized hands.
13 posted on 07/05/2014 1:01:01 PM PDT by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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To: virgil283

If memory serves right MARSOC already adopted 1911 pattern handguns or their sidearm. I hear Green Berets, and Delta use them as well, as well as other members of the Special Operations community. There are already several qualified experts that can train people on the 1911 platform should somebody decide to bring it back.

Such a thing was already done with the M-14, they were brought back as Designated Marksman Rifles and also used in the past in sniper rifle form as the M-21.


14 posted on 07/05/2014 1:01:38 PM PDT by Antihero101607
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To: umgud

JHP not allowed for military use as per Geneva convention, I heard.

Al-Qaeda and ISIS probably don’t give a crap about any conventional rulings.

But DHS has purchased millions of rounds and will not hesitate to use them (or they would not have purchased them in the first place).


15 posted on 07/05/2014 1:02:31 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: virgil283

Another full bird or one star in acquisitions is getting ready to retire.


16 posted on 07/05/2014 1:03:05 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: yarddog

Picked up a Kimber .45 ACP Compact last Saturday......sweet sweet sweet is all I can say.


17 posted on 07/05/2014 1:03:27 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron ("Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism" Vladimir Lenin)
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To: yarddog

How about a Sig Sauer P226 in .357 SIG?


18 posted on 07/05/2014 1:04:26 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: DakotaGator

But the Beretta is a large frame handgun. Many people - and not just women - have complained it is too big to easily handle.

“Even Beretta has its downsides. One of the problems of 92 series is the grips that are rather large. 92 series ergonomics does not work well for those with medium-small hands. These shooters will have difficulties to reach the trigger, especially if the first shot was in double action.” - See more at: http://www.all4shooters.com/en/articles/technics/2013/Semiautomatic-pistol-full-size-comparison-beretta-glock-colt/#sthash.V5nOzg2C.dpuf


19 posted on 07/05/2014 1:07:30 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Actually it is the Hague Convention which bans expanding ammunition. The Geneva Convention only has to do with the treatment of prisoners.


20 posted on 07/05/2014 1:08:34 PM PDT by drbuzzard (All animals are created equal, but some are more equal than others.)
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