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1 posted on 06/21/2014 10:00:35 AM PDT by Perdogg
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2 posted on 06/21/2014 10:01:40 AM PDT by Perdogg (Ted Cruz-Rand Paul 2016)
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As is the case in most circumstances, the books are much better than the movies.

That said, Game of Thrones has been called Lord of the Rings for grownups. I think it’s true to a point.


3 posted on 06/21/2014 10:03:10 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("Compromise" means you've already decided you lost.)
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I guess the question is with regard to the video versions.

A very different question from which book is better.

To address that, should be noted that Martin is merely building in a genre Tolkien created, which I’m sure Martin would be the first to admit.

Have been a huge Tolkien fan for 50 years. Have probably read LOTR an average of once/year since the age of 7. The themes and ideas in it have influenced me greatly.

Tried reading GoT when it first came out. Got maybe three books in and gave up.

GoT is inarguably more “realistic” in its portrayal of human character than LOTR, but I got tired of the unrelieved anti-heroism. Honor and duty were the basis of society in medieval times, and those who violated them too egregiously paid a steep price. Dishonorable nobles found it difficult to get their vassals to follow them with any enthusiasm.

Did not get any of this from GoT. There was exactly one truly honorable character, and Martin bumped him off quickly. Nobody every paid a price for dishonorable behavior.

In medieval times, many men, not all and not necessarily most, but many men fought and died for what they saw as their honor. Projecting modern attitudes towards honor into a medieval society turned me off of GoT.

Possibly it got better after I gave up. :)


4 posted on 06/21/2014 10:11:40 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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Both are just a lot of BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH talking, boring , you could take all of the episodes of Game of Thrones and compress them down to one episode ,OH same goes for that Vikings snooze fest


6 posted on 06/21/2014 10:31:45 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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The JRRT body of literature is allegorical in many aspects: at its heart, a reflection on life and death, woven in, the Christian doctrines of redemption the struggle between good and evil, the afterlife, those who watch over us, strength in the spirit life, etc. JRRT was heavily influenced by Old Norse myths, yet also Arthurian, Celtic and Norman. He was intent to reconcile Christian and philosophical traditions of his day with ancient mythological heritage influential in Britain. The result is a body of literature far richer than the silver screen can portray.

I never read the GOT series nor other literature by GRRM. I did try to watch the series but there were to many beheaded victims for Mrs FE to allow the video to play for long. GRRM has a reputation as a brilliant man with a vivid mind, and he is a prolific American writer. I would like to know more about what influences him - certainly he has unlocked the key to Hollywood and the appetite of audiences today. All the “kids” (trainers at the gym, friends of my children) are GOT fanatics.


9 posted on 06/21/2014 10:39:53 AM PDT by FlyingEagle
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Both franchises stand alone and the similarities between them are few and far between, so which one is better? It’s subjective at best, but The Lord of the Rings was a unique and distinct piece of story telling from a master in the art and it is considered by many to be the original modern fantasy work. Pretty much all of the fantasy genre novels from authors that have come afterward, owe their existence to J.R.R. Tolkien and his middle earth creation.


10 posted on 06/21/2014 10:41:50 AM PDT by jerod (Pro-Abortion Gun Control Freaks & Environmental Nuts who hated Capitalism? The Nazi's)
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I read the first 2 GOT books, but stopped when I realized that while they were briskly told, and the pace swift, I did not care what happened to any of the characters. The story just flowed on and on, like series television, which is where GRRM comes from.

I read Tolkien for the first time about 50 years ago. Tolkien's work is less unique than many fans realize, but what it does, it does masterfully and brings together elements of many aspects of "the northern thing." I love these characters.

ERR Eddison hatched out an imaginary universe in great detail, and was published before Tolkien, but he's almost unreadable, and that's if you are curious about the genre.

There are other fantasy universes to come along after Tolkien that I recall more vividly than GRRM: Moorcock's Elric saga, Norton's Witch World, Kurtz's Deryni stories.

The LOTR movies were generally much, much better than my wildest hopes for them; my quibbles are minor (Aragorn's horse rescue).
13 posted on 06/21/2014 10:53:13 AM PDT by Nepeta
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Game of Thrones is soap opera. As is Mad Men.


14 posted on 06/21/2014 10:56:34 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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LotR has the ring of authenticity about that GoT will never have. Tolkien modeled his world on medieval society as it actually existed, while Martin’s is just a shallow facsimile populated by soap opera characters. It shows in the silly names he chose for his cities: King’s Landing? Winterfell? Why not just name them “Capital City” and “Northern City” and be done with it.


21 posted on 06/21/2014 11:23:20 AM PDT by eclecticEel ("The petty man forsakes what lies within his power and longs for what lies with Heaven." - Xunzi)
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24 posted on 06/21/2014 11:41:11 AM PDT by KC_Lion (Build the America you want to live in at your address, and keep looking up.- Sarah Palin)
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Game of thrones is porn. Take out the porn and few would be watching.


27 posted on 06/21/2014 12:10:05 PM PDT by aimhigh (1 John 3:23)
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GOT is vaguely with the realm of possibility without having the baggage of different mythological creatures as heroes.


28 posted on 06/21/2014 12:15:52 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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I have nothing to compare LOTR to ... I have never read or watched, and have no inclination to either read or watch, any portion of GOT.


30 posted on 06/21/2014 12:29:02 PM PDT by BlueLancer (Pachelbel --- The original one-hit wonder.)
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"The Lord of the Rings": Yes.
"The Hobbit": eh. Your mileage may vary.

"Fellowship" started something wonderful and it was my favorite of the three. I didn't mind the necessary changes to keep the story moving and to add dramatic tension at the end. Ended on a positive, hopeful note.

Game of Thrones, the show, got me to read "A Game of Thrones", the book, which had been on my shelf for a few years, having had won it in a book raffle. Had I read it when it originally came out, I might not have picked up the second book. Lots of good stuff in the book, but there didn't seem to be an ending. Yes, it's a series, but the book still needs an ending, and this one seemed no closer to tying up the storylines. Everything across the Narrow Sea seemed for naught or rather nothing mattered except the last page or so. Yes, events had to happen, and the twists were questionable, but did we need to slog through it all?

I enjoyed Peter Dinklage and have "hated" Charles Dance since I watched "Bleak House". As for the rest... not much to say without spoiling things for curious people reading this thread.

32 posted on 06/21/2014 2:07:31 PM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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Lord of the Rings
Game of Thrones
BAH!

Harry Potter for the win!


35 posted on 06/21/2014 3:20:11 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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I have to say absolutely that LOTR is better. I only watched 5 minutes of GoT and had to turn it off when they cut to a scene of two queers just finishing up, still hot and sweaty. Yuck. I do not want to see that stuff.


36 posted on 06/21/2014 3:37:10 PM PDT by Flying Circus (God save us!)
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LOTR totally rules. Nothing else can compare to it or beat it. So there.

Can you tell I'm just a little bit of LOTR fan? lol

60 posted on 06/23/2014 9:49:28 AM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis
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GOT is just porn. Laughable to compare them.


63 posted on 08/08/2014 10:32:50 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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Martin and Tolkien are quite different. That said, Tolkien is a giant...Martin is maybe the better of many to following his footsteps.


64 posted on 08/08/2014 10:36:22 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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A great work of literature vs trashy erotica


65 posted on 08/08/2014 10:37:51 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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