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Heinlein, Hugos, and Hogwash
Intercollgiate Review ^

Posted on 05/08/2014 7:29:55 PM PDT by Perdogg

Robert Heinlein could not win a Hugo Award today.

If you are a fan of science fiction, you know how shocking that statement is. If you are not a science fiction fan, I salute you for having better things to do with your time than read stories about space princesses being rescued from bug-eyed monsters by stalwart and clean-limbed fighting men of Virginia; but please let me explain why this is shocking.

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TOPICS: Books/Literature; Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: hugoaward; robertheinlein
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To: verga

Property requirements should be a requirement. One needs to have something to lose when voting. This perpetuates the capitalist system. Letting lazy people with nothing to show for their lives, vote, will cause people to vote themselves ‘free ‘ stuff. That you and I who work must pay for it.

By property I don’t necessarily mean real estate. A healthy portfolio either defered retirement or not should be one form of required property.


61 posted on 05/09/2014 7:05:00 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Perdogg
One of the subjects of the Hugo controversy, Larry Correia, has an article on the subject
62 posted on 05/09/2014 7:28:20 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: USNBandit

SSDI has become a career path, and not a last resort for those truly unable to work.


63 posted on 05/09/2014 7:32:00 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Vaquero
By property I don’t necessarily mean real estate. A healthy portfolio either defered retirement or not should be one form of required property.

One advantage of requiring the voter to own real property (a home, a business, etc), is that he directly and immediately stands to lose if the people he votes for adversely affect the business climate or property values in his area.

64 posted on 05/09/2014 7:33:28 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: GeronL

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65 posted on 05/09/2014 7:52:38 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: PapaBear3625; Vaquero
By property I don’t necessarily mean real estate. A healthy portfolio either defered retirement or not should be one form of required property.

One advantage of requiring the voter to own real property (a home, a business, etc), is that he directly and immediately stands to lose if the people he votes for adversely affect the business climate or property values in his area.

I agree with all of these.

66 posted on 05/09/2014 8:50:24 AM PDT by verga (When protestants post scripture I am reminded that even the devil can quote scripture.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Reminded me of Starship Troopers and how they limiting the vote to the military.

Voting was limited to Citizens. Civilians (residents) could not vote.
Service in the military ensured Citizenship. There were other ways to achieve Citizenship, such as some other form of volunteer Federal service.

67 posted on 05/09/2014 8:53:49 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Only Liberals can look at an amendment that says “shall not be infringed" and see blank parchment.)
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To: null and void
"Federal Service" was military service, plus other life endangering jobs like being a lab rat on Pluto. Says so, right in the book
68 posted on 05/09/2014 9:23:39 AM PDT by chesley
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To: chesley

Nooooooo, military service was federal service.

All mammals are animals, but all animals are not mammals.

Capeesh?


69 posted on 05/09/2014 9:34:41 AM PDT by null and void ( They don't think think they are above the law. They think they are the law.)
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To: GeronL
the concept was that if you want to have political influence in the nation, you should be willing to risk your life for it.
70 posted on 05/09/2014 9:47:47 AM PDT by chesley
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To: GeronL
Further, the military couldn't vote. Not the privates, n ot the generals or admirals.

You had to be an honorably discharged veteran.

71 posted on 05/09/2014 9:49:36 AM PDT by chesley
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To: chesley

Let politicians risk your life for their stupid schemes and their glory?

I would never risk my life for government.


72 posted on 05/09/2014 9:50:11 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
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To: FreedomPoster
Our present situation says a lot about human nature. When required to sustain themselves humans over achieve and strive for a life of comfort. When given a life of comfort for nothing, humans sit around and wait for a check.

Look how fast the government took native Americans, hardy subsistence tribes, and what the reservations look like now. Look at the welfare class created by the "Great Society." Same thing, handouts and the systematic destruction of every institution that had a positive influence on those people.

Give it a couple more years of expanded unemployment benefits and we will create another large group of non-productive citizens.

73 posted on 05/09/2014 10:11:32 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: USNBandit
I have bad news, we already have that large group. Numbers on SSDI are up by >100% since 2000.

While some of this is due to an aging overall population, that doesn't begin to explain a 100% jump in <15 years.

74 posted on 05/09/2014 10:45:57 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: GeronL

Read the book. Frankly, it was the first science-fiction book I ever read, other than some ERB, and it hooked me good.

The deal is, you have to volunteer, and you can quit whenever you want. You just never get a second chance to serve and earn the franchise.

Even in the middle of a war, you can quit. No one is ever drafted.

I’m not saying it would work, but I think it is an interesting idea.


75 posted on 05/09/2014 10:58:12 AM PDT by chesley
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To: PizzaDriver

thanks


76 posted on 05/09/2014 11:01:14 AM PDT by KC Burke (Officially since Memorial Day they are the Gimmie-crat Party.ha)
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To: null and void
People you were not talented enough to make it at least into the infantry, were required to perform dangerous service.

It's been a long time, but I think the examples Heinlein gave were terraforming on Venus, and testing experimental equipment. Somewhere Pluto got into there, too.

I don't know if these positions carried military rank with them, or not, but I suppose they did. It's not soldiering, though.

77 posted on 05/09/2014 11:01:24 AM PDT by chesley
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To: USNBandit

I would rather see al provision that you cannot vote as long as you take money from the Government (except salary, SS & retirement)


78 posted on 05/09/2014 11:03:48 AM PDT by catman67
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To: chesley

I think it would work. But would Americans want it? If Texas ever secedes from the nation, I’d recommend that system here.


79 posted on 05/09/2014 11:04:20 AM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Vaquero

But the CinC had to have gone throught the same process. Not saying that it would always get the bad guys out, and Heinlein brought up that point, too.

It did show that the person, male or female, was willing to risk his life to serve the country. More than we’ve got, today.

Finally, the veterans may have been in charge, but the active military still had the big guns.


80 posted on 05/09/2014 11:04:42 AM PDT by chesley
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