Posted on 02/06/2014 8:59:14 AM PST by bubbacluck
The Heart of California Can Come Back If It Doesn't Obsess on Who's to Blame
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No. The last I heard Disney was trying to build a resort there...a long time ago. I think it got shot down by the Sierra Club?
One of the reasons we want to go there is that California is loaded with money.
We’re in the aviation and finance business.
It was in 1961...
and California (even Oakland) was a very different place then....It was indeed a nice place not only to hit land but to live as well
new water source in north san diego county
Here’s some info on desalinization
http://www.pacinst.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/desalination_report3.pdf
Carlsbad Cal is building a plant which is slated to open in 2016, 16 years after the proposal was approved by the city. Administrative hearings and court processes in which environmental groups got several bites of the apple trying to shoot it down.
What happens to the salt?
The desalination plant typically uses three kilograms of seawater to produce 1 kilogram of fresh water. The extracted salt dissolves in the excess sea water used in the process to form so-called brine. The brine is returned to the sea where it is diluted again in its natural medium.
Can salt be recovered?
The usual desalination processes do not provide for such recovery. Whereas they concentrate seawater 1.5 times, recovery of salt would require seawater to be concentrated ten times. Under such conditions the first crystals would appear in the brine. This would require a lot of energy and cannot be justified on an economic standpoint. Today whenever a large surface area is available close to a sunny seashore, salt pans, which make use of solar energy, are still the best method of salt production.
We sailed in to the bay, under the Golden Gate Bridge which I had never seen. Someone said, “There's Nob Hill where the rich folks live.”
We got off the boat and took a taxi to Lane Buick and picked up a station wagon my dad had ordered and drove back to the pier.
Loaded up, we drove “home” to Iowa.
yes... that i believe is true... i was born in 65, and my family has been there since the early 50s... i remember San Jose before malls... (i was in kindergarten when i went to our first mall)... shopping in downtown SJ was always a treat back then...
Gosh what a wonderful story. Thank you for sharing your memories. Coming in under the Golden Gate is a magnificent experience. so glad you had a chance to do it.
This is the third year of drought in California. Very little rain and no snowpack.
Yes, but is that relevant for retirees?
I mean, unless you are in the agricultural business, what impact does a drought have on the average Joe?
Sorry if that's a dumb question!
Regards,
“Yes, but is that relevant for retirees?
I mean, unless you are in the agricultural business, what impact does a drought have on the average Joe?”
Cities start imposing restrictions that affect your daily life. Can’t water your lawn. Can’t wash your car. Can’t hose anything down.
California is thought to have had very long droughts in the past. If this starts stretching out to the decade mark I suppose the giant megalopolis of SoCal could start running out of water in a far more serious way.
Oh, my!
Never watered my lawn.
Wouldn't care if it DID need watering. A well-kept rock garden is equally if not more attractive.
Have always washed the car only at commercial car washes.
Never owned a hose. In fact, my house doesn't even have any outdoor faucets that I know of.
Seriously: You folks are talking about water as though it were something important - like high-speed Internet service.
As a future retiree, I have other priorities: low property taxes, good access to country/forest jogging trails, low crime, the aforementioned high-speed Internet service, etc.
Even for others who might be more-conventional in their outlook - and for whom, e.g., having a lush, verdant lawn trumps having the grandkids nearby - I don't see droughts as "deal-breakers."
Regards,
“As a future retiree, I have other priorities: low property taxes, good access to country/forest jogging trails, low crime, the aforementioned high-speed Internet service, etc.”
Then I fail to see why you inquired about our water situation unless your goal was to be argumentative. You aren’t going to find low taxes in this state and crime has been one of our growth industries.
Not being argumentative - am truly sorry if you perceived it as such. Rather, I was sincerely puzzled by all the concern about water. This issue might be self-evident for most other FReepers, but it wasn't (isn't) for me. For me, paying, say, 1¢ per cubic meter for one's household water rather than, say, 0.1¢ per cubic meter is a mere blip on the radar screen. Unless things are so bad that people are being forced by circumstances to carry around their daily ration of H2O in hip-flasks, this issue might be around #87 on my list of important criteria.
I do agree that local ordinances prohibiting watering one's lawn or filling one's own backyard swimming pool could be quite irksome - but I suspect that, in such localities, if it wasn't water scarcity, the local liberals would not rest until they found some other "important issues" requiring intrusive Nanny State regulations.
And I do agree that there are probably a LOT of other issues (criminality - home-grown and "imported" - air quality, the density of health-care providers, hurricanes, earthquakes, property taxes, etc.) that would figure much more prominently on my list. (I don't live in California, so I would tend to tread cautiously in criticizing such factors.)
Regards,
Yes, when you phrase it that way, I understand how, taking a long-term view of things, water scarcity could transform from a mere inconvenience into a moderate annoyance and, finally, into a major game-changer.
Thanks for your perspective!
Regards,
I thought this was an article from The Onion...
Sorry, having lived in Bakersfield, and having family in Bakersfield, Tulare and Lodi, it’s a pretty tough pill to swallow....
I may be wrong, but isn’t being near the ocean one of the primary reasons that people move to Florida?
“I may be wrong, but isn’t being near the ocean one of the primary reasons that people move to Florida?”
Warm climate and no state income tax.
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