Posted on 01/19/2014 5:51:53 AM PST by BigReb555
“Here I greet you in the shadow of the statue of your Commander, General Robert E. Lee. You and he left us memories which are part of the memories bequeathed to the entire nation by all the Americans who fought in the War Between the States.”
(Excerpt) Read more at canadafreepress.com ...
And correctly so. Actually as a clarification I should have said “If true they were mistaken” because I doubt that very many southerners believe that they were tyrannized.
In the years leading up to the war 8 of the 15 presidents were southerners. And two of the northerners were doughface’s that sympathized with the south’s Particular Institution.
The majority of congresses were dominated by southern interests. The south enjoyed equal representation in Congress and the Supreme Court.
This is like current-day democrats claiming that they are being tyrannized.
Thanks very interesting read.
Statistical tables can’t compete with harrowing narratives of runaway slaves. Perhaps that’s why economic history isn’t taught in our schools.
Gee Sherm if the South wasn’t contributing an enormous amount of revenue to the North then why would Lincoln go to war to keep an albatross around his neck? Why not let that pack ofilliterate, impoverished dirt farmers and their slaves go and good riddance?
As you prolly already know its because 60% of all the exports of the United States at that time was southern cotton. Without it the Northern economy would have collapsed. All that cotton being shipped out of NY instead of Savannah or Charleston. About 40 cents out of every dollar going to the North.
Its always about the money Sherm. It was about the money then and its about the money now. Money and political machinations. It will always be about the money.
Lincoln didn’t care about the slaves until his approval rating was in Obama territory then he needed an issue to gin up support for the flagging war. Bingo slavery. Thats why the Emancipation Proclamation didn’t free the northern slaves only the confederate slaves. Political machinations.
Nobody cared about slavery in 1861. Nobody wanted to go to war over slavery. It was about the cotton tariff,levy, tax or whatever you want to call it. I call it a tax.
Tariff: a tax or duty to be paid on a particular class of imports or exports.
The Civil War festered for 30 years before the first shot was fired and it was not over slavery. It was over money.
We missed you yesterday at the big Robert E. Lee celebration down in Milledgeville. :-)
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Seems like a rerun. Have we hashed through this before?
A lot of people have “home” tendencies. I sure do. Had I been alive then, and away from Dixie, I’d have headed South, and I’d never have owned a slave, as I’m sure the majority therein didn’t either.
And, believe it or not, there are still quite a few blacks in the South who still wave the Stars ‘n Bars.
“Rebel Yell!”
That’s all very nice but a complete non sequitur to what you wrote and what I replied.
I and others before me have noted on these threads that a head count was made in December, 1860 that showed that the Morrill Tariff would pass when the new Senate elected in the fall of 1860 took office. If all Southern senators had stayed in Congress in early 1861, they could have stopped it briefly as you say, but the bill would pass in the new Senate even if all Southern senators stayed for the new term.
I’m going back to bed.
Great post!
Yeah, I always figured that. lol
Want what? The South? To stop the attacks I guess. You shouldn't have fired on Sumter.
1828...quite a delayed reaction. lol
Anyway, the tariff wasn't on the south it was on foreign countries, and on top of that the Congress allowed the tariffs to be lowered in the 1850s to a point where the south could accept them.
A tariff not on the south, on foreign countries, and lowered in the 1850s to an acceptable level to the south as I said.
How do you explain the Declarations of Secession? They said it was about slavery.
I thought the Southerners had to pay it to import????????????
I think it was a Jedi trick ;’)
The tariff was on foreign imports. Since the south's economy was not diversified due to slavery, its consumers were paying higher prices at the retailers but they didn't get much help for their industries, which was mostly cotton. On top of that the British were more reluctant to buy southern cotton. The issue was resolved in 1853 or so when the Congress lowered tariffs to a level acceptable to the south.
Moral of the story: Tariffs are bad. Tariffs and slavery...two huge mistakes of the Constitution. Free Trade is always the best.
lol It was about the money all right, free money from slavery.
When the South seceded there was no Emancipation Proclamation. You don’t secede over something that does not exist. There was no 11th District Court sitting down in Atlanta telling the plantation owners to turn all their slaves loose. Nobody was confiscating slaves.
The South was sick of the Cotton tariff. They were sick of being on the short end of the stick economically. They were sick of the yankee’s hand in their pocket.
As your buddy James Carville would say “Its the economy stupid” :-)
Then why did they say it was over slavery in their Declarations of Secession?
“The tariff was on foreign imports”
Wrong. All the exports had to go out on American built ships. So the South was forced to send all their cotton up to Yankee land and let them ship the cotton out on their boats at a very significant profit of fees and commissions. About 40 cents on every dollar. After about 30 years of it the South got sick of it.
If the South left the Union they could ship their cotton out of Charleston and Savannah on any dang ship they liked.
IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY1111111111
So many trolls so little time. LOL!!!
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