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Is there a scientifically detectable difference between high-price liquor and regular stuff?
The Straight Dope ^ | January 3, 2014 | Cecil Adams

Posted on 01/05/2014 12:24:09 AM PST by Slings and Arrows

Dear Cecil:

I was in the Costco liquor section when I happened upon a locked display case with three bottles inside (one whisky, one cognac, one I can’t remember), each priced upwards of $2,500. I imagine anyone who bought and drank one of these would be heavily influenced by "buyer's bias" regarding the actual taste of the product; still, I’d think the difference would be great enough that an average, uneducated drinker could pick out the ultra-expensive bottle from a $30 one in a blind test. What can science tell us about why an extremely high-quality and typically older alcohol would be so much more pleasant to drink, and thus much more valuable?

— Morton Christopher

Cecil replies:

Science can tell us plenty about booze, Mort. However, the relevant discipline shifts as we rise in the price scale. At the low end, where we’re talking about beverages commonly drunk from paper bags, chemistry can easily demonstrate what separates rotgut from the decent stuff. Above a certain point, however, we find more useful insight in psychology, if you take my meaning. The question is where that shift occurs. In bitter moments I tend to say it’s around ten bucks a bottle, although having had a tasty if somewhat pricey Chateauneuf-du-Pape the other night I can see where you might objectively demonstrate that $100 was money well spent. But $2,500? Sorry, this is prima facie evidence of the madness of crowds.

With the exception of pure ethanol, alcoholic beverages are complex mixtures of chemicals derived from the raw materials plus the containers they’re aged and stored in. Variations in taste generally arise from differences in volatile organic compounds (VOCs), which readily vaporize at room temp when the container is opened and give the brew, vintage, or what have you its characteristic smell — not the common term, particularly among wine enthusiasts, but let’s call a spade a spade.

The VOCs potentially found in alcoholic beverages make for a long list. Most of the terms mean nothing to the nonspecialist, but since you asked, here are some things you might detect if your man cave is equipped with a mass spectrometer:

Still, while we know in a general way which VOCs are associated with what taste, that’s a long way from saying we can detail with any confidence the chemical differences separating an award-winning beverage from an OK one.

In many cases these differences are minute. For example, the subtle taste of “greenness” in a Sauvignon Blanc, an undesirable quality in other varieties of wine, arises from methoxypyrazine compounds, detectable by humans in the parts per trillion. It’s surely also true that taste is a result of the interplay between multiple VOCs, some of which chemists have yet to identify. The best means of judging quality, therefore, remains the human nose and palate.

These make for an imperfect instrument. Nowhere is this more evident than in the world of wine tasting:

Does that mean alleged differences in alcoholic beverages are BS? Depends on what you consider differences. When nonprofessional tasters were trained to use a standardized whisky-tasting vocabulary and then given samples of 40 blended Scotch whiskies, their assessments generally corresponded with the four categories of whisky being tested (deluxe, standard, cheap, and West Highland). In a separate study, the four categories were themselves found to have distinctive chemical signatures. In other words, it was possible to sense broad variations in quality, and those variations had a chemical basis.

On the other hand, consistently distinguishing a presumably exquisite $2,500 bottle from a merely excellent $100 one … eh, maybe somebody with an unusually sensitive palate could do it. You or me? That I doubt.

Cecil Adams


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To: RegulatorCountry

Yes and reasonably priced. Depending on how much is imbibed, you may or may not suffer a hangover the next morning as Tito’s is distilled six times, removing a significant amount of impurities from the final product. Enjoy responsibly.


101 posted on 01/05/2014 4:10:22 PM PST by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

I distrust hydrometer (relative density) measurement as an indication of alcohol content of some liquid.
When used to measure consumption of sugar in wort by yeast, as in beer fermentation, then it makes sense.
I am glad that you had fun, and the Korean drink sounds interesting. However, I doubt that a filter could capture enough of anything to produce the results that you observed. The filter would have to gain a tremendous amount of mass!


102 posted on 01/05/2014 4:11:51 PM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: loungitude

We did not weigh the filter, nor the liquor poured through it, but, it took a hell of a lot of the filtered stuff to get us anywhere near lit up, and relatively little of the unfiltered stuff to get lit.


103 posted on 01/05/2014 4:19:29 PM PST by LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: LesbianThespianGymnasticMidget

A-Ha!
Maybe the filter captured a small concentration of some methy-f’ing-badstuff that had a big intoxicating effect. Now that makes sense! Please see your mail.


104 posted on 01/05/2014 4:27:57 PM PST by loungitude (The truth hurts.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

To answer the headline question: For many kinds of liquor, such as whiskey and tequila, there is a foolproof scientific measuring instrument: The morning-after headache.


105 posted on 01/05/2014 6:26:51 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Slings and Arrows

I can tell the difference between high end vodka and dreck like Poland Sping and Popov Vodka. I can also discern the difference between potato, wheat, and bull grass vodka as well as grape “vodka”.

This is vodka, the stuff the phillistones consider to be “rubbing alcohol”.


106 posted on 01/05/2014 10:26:52 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: jjotto

I’ve done a shot of pharmaceutical grade ethanol (99.5% de-ionized). It’s got more bite than 100 proof and is similar to Everclear.


107 posted on 01/05/2014 10:33:30 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: rmlew

That’s 199 proof at 99.5%.

The issue with alcohol over 190 proof is how that extra 5% azeotropic water content was removed. The issue being use of solvent type chemicals not typically associated with human consumption and safety :P


108 posted on 01/05/2014 10:35:51 PM PST by Black Agnes
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To: Slings and Arrows

Blind taste tests of Scotch has shown the most favored to be bottles that cost about $40. I tend to agree, however, some of the more expensive bottles costing $300+ have a distinct taste the cheaper bottles do not. For instance, Glenlivet 25 and Reserve have a peppery quality not found in the 21 and lower years, which is desirable if smoking the appropriate cigar. Of course, they also have greater strength but only if consumed naked. Adding water or rocks means forget drinking the more expensive bottles as you just weakened them; maybe the peppery notes are still there but their strength, and desirability, is reduced.


109 posted on 01/05/2014 11:56:59 PM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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To: CodeToad

Perhaps that’s the reason for whisky stones (http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/ba37/).


110 posted on 01/06/2014 12:14:21 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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